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#377106 - 01/18/08 06:24 PM Re: GLOBAL WARMING [Re: wristtwister]
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I find your hypocrisy amusing. You talk about "patchwork" science in the IPCC report. But perhaps one of you can show me a comparably large, internationally supported and peer-reviewed analysis supporting your (minority) viewpoint that man is NOT affecting global warming, or that global warming is not having harmful effects.
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#377107 - 01/18/08 08:37 PM Re: GLOBAL WARMING [Re: MattJ]
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I find your hypocrisy amusing.




Glad it makes you happy.

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You talk about "patchwork" science in the IPCC report. But perhaps one of you can show me a comparably large, internationally supported and peer-reviewed analysis supporting your (minority) viewpoint that man is NOT affecting global warming, or that global warming is not having harmful effects.




No, but I did find an abstract about the editiorial policies that are quashing dissenting opinions of "peer review groups" in science and medicine, and guidelines of publishing "dissenting material" that kept it out of the journals and publications. The study was based on the analysis of 156 selected journals publishing landscape-related papers editorial policies, and an email survey of the editors of those publications. Almost all of the journal editors freely accepted articles that upheld the "peer group opinion", but discarded those dissenting...

In other words, if you're "one of the boys", your articles get published... if not, it doesn't matter what your opinion is. The question of bias against integrative papers by editors, reviewers, and authors suggest some reasons why publishing contrary integrative research can be difficult. They found no bias against publishing integrative landscape papers., and the editors welcomed papers agreeing with the viewpoint held by the peer review groups.

Keeping the dissenting view off the charts is a sure way to make the charts say what you want. Controlling the debate is how the chicken little theory has always worked...

Think about it for a minute... you hear about "global warming"... the report is from the IPCC, so it's a "science peer group"... Not really, it's a United Nations political committee. Everywhere you hear about "climate change" and "global warming", the information can be traced right back to that same place.

Now, I've got 15 years in environmental engineering experience, cleaning up exactly what is supposed to be causing all these problems... but the science from that side is completely different. We changed chemical elements into inert, non-reactive agents which might have changed a chemical structure locally, but had little or no chance of globally affecting the environment.

Like the great "ozone hole" fiasco, where "scientists" were claiming there was a hole in the ozone layer until it leaked out that the "holes" were at the north and south poles, where there are no trees to generate ozone... Then, suddenly, the papers went silent and the "greenhouse gas threat" changed the tactics to begin promoting the "global warming" theory.

First, the greenhouse gases were killing the planet. Then, there was a hole in the ozone layer. Then, mankind was generating so much pollution that it was causing global warming... when the science of global warming was found faulty, the debate changes to "climate change"...

Peer review my a$$... it's politics, pure and simple... another "power grab" by the Chicken Little crowd who've been trying to sell this same crap for the last 50 years. If the science was all that sound, why hasn't any research been done into alternative fuels? The arguments have been raging since the 1960's when I was in college... which is where the "treehugger" tag started. Back then, they were surrounding the trees and shackling themselves together to keep the evil lumber industry from cutting down trees... and the "science" was that "all animal life was being destroyed"...

Turned out that only the animals that lived in the trees were affected, the other animals migrated into the spaces cleared by the clear-cutting, and the animals who were affected moved to places where they could find trees. Nature has a way of healing itself, and if mankind is in fact killing itself, then it will die. Species come and go all the time, and there's no guarantee that anything being proposed by the global warming crowd is going to keep the same climate changes from happening. Where's that science?

Feel free to laugh at my opinion, disagree with it, or consider it hypocrisy... but it's consistent... I still think that "global warming" is nothing more than a well developed scam, and it's being used as the latest in a long line of "chicken little" scenarios going back decades...

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#377108 - 01/18/08 09:44 PM Re: GLOBAL WARMING [Re: wristtwister]
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when the science of global warming was found faulty, the debate changes to "climate change"...


Amen and hallelujah! There's money to be made in gloom and doom prophesies. It's all a money-grabbing agenda. Right now, we're having the same issues with the drought and water resource management, which somehow got tied to "climate change". Resulting in government and private enterprise moving in to control water allocation for irrigation and institute a "water trading" scheme for the people it will hurt the most - the farmers. As if they're not already hurting enough from the current climate conditions.

Funny, the worst culprits of water mismanagement are heavy industries like the AUTOMOTIVE industry that seem to be immune from such draconian impositions.

IOW, the whole "climate change" issue is a convenient distraction from the fundmanetal issue of socio-economic mismanagement, as America now heads into a recession....

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#377109 - 01/18/08 10:34 PM Re: GLOBAL WARMING [Re: floatfishski]
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Actually my data is quite accurate. Thousands of satellite images taken over the past 20 years in both high resolution optical, infra red, ultraviolet and also narrow band radar images. I have two sons in the military both in Mi and the younger one is a remote sensing specialist as I was in the army. In my day we didn't have fancy satellites and relied on high altitude photography. But I still have the skills to interpret what my eyes and training tell me. I have also read many of the studies you posted. I find some convincing and some not so much. Read my post again. I never said man alone was responsible for climate change. But anyone who believes that a couple of billion people pouring billions of tons of pollutants into the environment is doing no harm is living in a dream world. Your own home would be a good example. Wrap it up in visqueen and put four or five people in it for about a week with no outside venting. Its not just about global warming> It's about all of the cumulative damage we are going.I live a stones throw from the greatest sport fishing area in the world. I love to fish. But I throw back most of what I catch because most of the species I catch are so loaded with mercury they are not safe to eat. The mercury got into the food chain from coal burning power plants using low grade soft coals. My grandfather was a coal miner in Alabama. He and the rest of my family lived in a mining camp in a town called Nyota. I have been back there on many occasions because it is a great area to hunt fossils. The whole area is so dangerously poluted with heavy metals and contaminants from the mining process that exposing your bare skin to the soil or water puts your very life at risk. There are actually people living on the site. Most of them illegally. The land belongs to CSX railway now and has beenup for sale for over 60 years. But the only water in the area would be well water. You can't drink it because it is loaded with mercury, arsenic and a witches brew of other dangerous chemicals. I'm no tree hugger. But I am a medical professional and a cancer survivor and I don't need the Nobel Institute and a bunch of PHD's who work for big industry to try to convince me that all of this stuff in the environment is harmless. I also have agent orange in my body fat. Not from my two tours in Vietnam but from swimming in the Ottowa river in Toledo Ohio. It seems that when I was a kid a large chemical firm called Dura corporation was dumping massive ammounts of the stuff as well as PCB's into the river and an adjacent dump. Yes I know it's a "global warming thread". But it's all about the same warped attitude that the actions of man have no effect on the planet. Horse crap.
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#377110 - 01/19/08 01:04 AM Re: GLOBAL WARMING [Re: Blackrainbow]
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But it's all about the same warped attitude that the actions of man have no effect on the planet. Horse crap.



exactly. by having people concentrate on disputing 'global warming', it somehow grants licence for their irresponsibility and unaccountability. The logic goes something like: "If we show that the global warming theory is flawed, we don't have to impose more strict standards on industry."
Auto companies hate increacingly tough emission standards, and the oil industry's money flow depends on there not being an infustructure of a viable alternative. not to mention all the other industries hating to have to invest in expensive 'clean-technology' and/or heafty fines.

...it's much cheaper for them to buy into an administration and help plant the seeds of doubt and denial into public consciousness.

around 1992, Boston started a public works program in conjunction with MIT to start installing electric-auto recharging stations around town (Cambridge actually) at the city limit train station parking garages. I didn't need a car at the time, but everyday I took the train and saw these recharging stations installed, vacant, and rust. the problem: no car manufacturers getting involved. MIT and the city were gambling on the Clinton/Gore push to progressively increase electric/altenergy car quotas over time, by using government-led incentives. didn't happen. republican congress took over shortly after and decided to have the country concentrate who did what UNDER Bill's desk instead of concentrating on the work he was doing ON it. The whole thing was sh!t-canned and we were left questioning a blue dress. talk about a country with A.D.D....

so now we have alot more distractions to keep us busy and keep the alternative car quotas at a stead-fast 2%. The 2% is just so people can say we have them - but there has never been any serious plan to ever increase that. It's always been 2% or less.

Clearly, the special interest lobbyists with blank checks have much more say in such matters. I'm pretty sure the way it's suppossed to work is: 1 person, 1 vote...but the way it has been working is: 1 dollar, 1 vote.

The biggest threat right now is runaway unacountable corruption. The system is broken....and that tends to cause actions of man which mother nature CANNOT heal.

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#377111 - 01/19/08 01:14 AM Re: GLOBAL WARMING [Re: Blackrainbow]
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I just wish this whole thing can be settled with an "agree to disagree" like in the "chi" debates.

But my daughter is only 17 and she will run smack into it (whatever it is or is not) when she and her children comes around.

So now, do we or do we not, at this juncture of our lives and the live of the Planet, abandon all industrial activities and go back to the goode olde dayes when we wore cotton spun by hand, plates made of stones carved out with stone hand tools and eat our own-grown vegetables and true free-range chickens? And of course hone up on our martial arts skills as other people who do not have these things will raid our homes for them.

I am sure we can't and not being a scientists and therefore cannot offer a meaningful scientific opinion, but whatever is said of the alarmists and how they are or maybe feeding (for whatever hidden agenda) on a sense of doom spread among the untutored public, my concern is (since at this very moment opinion is divided) what if they are right? If the 'dissenters' are right, then we are all safe anyway, but what if the alarmists, even if by fluke, turn out to be right? --- then mankind will perish due to a cosmic joke. I have no intention to die laughing.


Edited by ButterflyPalm (01/19/08 01:21 AM)
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#377112 - 01/19/08 08:10 AM Re: GLOBAL WARMING [Re: Blackrainbow]
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But anyone who believes that a couple of billion people pouring billions of tons of pollutants into the environment is doing no harm is living in a dream world.




I don't think anyone interested in the planet has that lack of concern, and no one on the thread is advising the lack of pollution control. As I said several times, in 15 years of environmental engineering practice, we stopped hundreds of millions of pounds of pollution and greenhouse gas pollutants... and it didn't stop just because I changed businesses. Yes, there are polluters, and yes, there are some people who are damaging the environment... but like your local polluter, it's reasonably localized. We have a PCB lake of our own around here, and while it's a sportfishing haven, the fish aren't safe to eat. Without draining the lake and shutting down the power plant it drives, there's no way to clean it up. Unless a water driven power plant is also a threat to the environment, then it's not going to happen. The upper lake isn't contaminated, so you simply have to watch where you fish.

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But it's all about the same warped attitude that the actions of man have no effect on the planet.




I don't think anybody is making that claim, or expressing that attitude. We all realize that pollution is a problem... but it's not the global panacea that's changing the face of the world. It's a localized problem, and when it occurs, the local authorities should land on the offenders with both feet.

Sorry to hear about your physical problems. That truly is the measure of the damage being done by these criminals, and I hope it works out for you.

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#377113 - 01/19/08 09:06 AM Re: GLOBAL WARMING [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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mankind will perish




The only irrefutable fact on this whole thread. Even if we were pollutant free, cholestorol free, drug free, war free, disaster free, genuinely 'free'- Mankind will be phased out as the world turns. Our technology, and our 'mastery' of our world is an illusion. We havent been on this planet for a blink of an eye in cosmic terms, and we will be longer extinct than in existence. I find that quite comforting.
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#377114 - 01/19/08 10:11 AM Re: GLOBAL WARMING [Re: Cord]
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well...there is always Mars

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#377115 - 01/19/08 10:12 AM Re: GLOBAL WARMING [Re: Cord]
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Cord -

Not disputing our imminent species demise, either. In my mind however, it's more about what are we leaving the future generations. Whether you or I procreate or not, others will. And the world that is left to them, in large measure, depends on what the current generation does with it. Do we use our technology to make the environment better for them? Or simply make it easier on us?

Sure, I would love to drive a Corvette ZR1 (or whatever), paying less for gasoline than for water. But I'm not willing to mortgage the entire well-being of future generations for my selfishness.

And despite how that may read, I am far from a tree-hugger.
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