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#377026 - 01/10/08 07:12 PM Re: The Global Warming thread... [Re: wristtwister]
MattJ Offline
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#377027 - 01/10/08 07:45 PM Re: The Global Warming thread... [Re: Dereck]
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I think I can speak for everybody that we are all in agreement as individuals we all need to do something to make the world a better place and I think for a lot we are on the right track. However the problem is those that embellish and blow things out of proportion for personal endeavors or to raise attention to their group whether it is politically driven or not as ultimately extra funding goes to those projects whether legit or not and somebody is always making out like a bandit. That is the injustice because crap that spills out gets regurgitated and soon too many people take it as the truth without questioning it or afraid to question it. Where would we be if we didn't question everything; still thinking the world was flat and letting the church dictate how we are to think.




Nice concise post, and accurate.

It seems that most persons (not all by a long way) seem to have forgotten the timescale involved in global change. The history of the globe on which we live is one of continual climatic change, which has extended over hundreds of thousands of years and tends to be cyclical in nature. If you recall, in the 1960's the 'mainstream' scientific community was predicting a new Ice Age within the next 40 years, and yet, actually inside that timescale the self same 'mainstream' scientific community is forecasting uncontrollable global warming. Am I alone in sensing a considerable inconsistency here?

If we look at the scientific community in general they seem to be less than consistent. A few years ago, eggs were deemed to be very bad for you, allegedly linked to some form of cancer risk. Now we are told that it's OK to have a three egg omelette every day. Similarly, we were warned off from eating fish, on the pretext that it contained a dangerous level of heavy metal toxins. Today they regard fish as being the ultimate source of Omega3 fatty acids. Only a couple of years ago Bananas were the work of the Devil, now they are as safe as houses. Come on you science guys, get your act together and start singing from the same hymn sheet.

Planet Earth, will not be killed by any actions Homo Sapien takes. The Earth is more than capable of healing its own wounds, and it will survive whatever mankind throws at it. I hardly consider that running a motor car to be the great evil which it is made out to be by the leftward leaning greens, vegetarian beard growers or any other form of loopy non-thinkers which a politically dogmatic, primarily envious movement of 'non-haves' deems it to be. Quite frankly, it would seem to be the politics of envy, rearing its ugly head yet again.

If I remember correctly, my old Physics Teacher used to assert that "matter cannot be destroyed, only its form changed". That being the case, we have little to worry about, as everything which is here, was here when the world started and will be here when it ends. The means to that end is most unlikely to be a result of any action taken by mankind, and it demonstrates very effectively the arrogance of mankind that they think they have the power to do so.

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#377028 - 01/10/08 07:47 PM Re: The Global Warming thread... [Re: Kimo2007]
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models, the estimates i.e. the guesses as to what the results will be.




Sorry, but the entire conflab over global warming is based on those models/estimates and their stunning and profound inaccuracy! None, and I do mean none, of your other points stand up to the rigid lense of data evaluation. The earth is not warming at a rate that exceedes any an history, unless of course you base that on the models that you say refuting is a "straw man". So you get to base your arguments on the conjecture of the models/estimates but when I point out the flaws all of a sudden I'm offering a strawman by refuting the very thing you offer your supposition(s) on? 100% of the global warming casuistry is based on the models and estimates, none of which have come close to reality. In fact, the average error is in excess of 300% and that is what you are basing the entirety of your argument on. The facts are, the earth has seen many warming periods where the rate of temperature rise is much greater than we are seeing now, including the middle ages warming period. Do you want to get into oxygen isotope (16/18) partitioning which clearly shows this? Or maybe you want to revisit the discredited Mann tree ring study? It is not a straw man to challenge the data used in the projections. It is, however, a straw man to use data of questionable value to argue for a point you want to be true. I challenge you to do some real research into ALL of the arguments. You just might find that you will sit down to an ale and hear “Hmmmm” echoing in your mind.

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#377029 - 01/10/08 08:49 PM Re: The Global Warming thread... [Re: MattJ]
Happy Birthday wristtwister Offline
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1st link... led to IPCC information; Googled IPCC and got:
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Oslo, 10 December 07 - The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr. were awarded of the Nobel Peace Prize "for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change".




The IPCC is a"United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP)", who just happen to be in bed with Al Gore on this issue. It was no problem for old "Al baby" to "reinvent government" and have the EPA follow his mantra... after all, these guys' jobs were on the line. We all know how upstanding and forthright anything the United Nations does turns out... does "oil for food" ring a bell? As for it being a "scientific organization", just because there are scientists in it doesn't make it's literature and sales information "scientific data".

2nd link
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Introduction
This page is based on a brief synopsis of the 2001 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the National Research Council's 2001 report Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions, as well as NCDC's own data resources.




Same guys in a different ninja mask...

3rd link... Ecobridge

from one of their own posted job recruitment documents...
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EcoBridge connects people and organizations in the US and Russia for environmental action and problem-solving. The goal of the EcoBridge program is on-going, self-sustaining projects that result in better understanding of acute environmental problems and
solutions to them. CEC's staff provides leadership and assistance to international projects that link educators, scientists, public officials, students, and citizen activists.




I found it interesting that this 501(c)3 organization has exchange programs with almost every communist and socialist country in the world, and is making policy decisions for American legislators, writing legislation, and having their minions propose it in different legislatures... a "government by proxy" if you will. Maybe you trust organizations like those funded by George Soros, and those of his ilk, but I have an aversion to communism... and these people seem linked at the hip with every leftist government and socialist organization in the world. They also seem to be controlling the output of information relating to "climate issues".

(4th link) Quotes an article from guess who... Ecobridge... our leftist friends from link 3...

(5th link) Our friends from CNN (which we in the communications business call the "Clinton News Network") are simply trumpeting the mantra from... who else... the IPCC... and their minions. Every bit of this is the same information recycled with the "chicken little" theory as its basis.

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#377030 - 01/10/08 08:51 PM Re: The Global Warming thread... [Re: wristtwister]
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wow, check out Commander McGoogle.

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#377031 - 01/10/08 10:42 PM Re: The Global Warming thread... [Re: Ed_Morris]
Happy Birthday wristtwister Offline
like a chiropractor, only evil

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Posts: 2210
Loc: South Carolina
Ed,
I got my black belt in "google-fu" from you... Don't be so modest...

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#377032 - 01/10/08 11:20 PM Re: The Global Warming thread... [Re: wristtwister]
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Posts: 6768
flattery just got you promoted to ni-dan in 'the virtual way'. congrats.

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#377033 - 01/11/08 06:14 AM Re: The Global Warming thread... [Re: Ed_Morris]
Happy Birthday wristtwister Offline
like a chiropractor, only evil

Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2210
Loc: South Carolina
Could we scam our way to giving me the Nobel peace prize? I need the money...



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#377034 - 01/11/08 08:17 AM Re: The Global Warming thread... [Re: wristtwister]
Blackrainbow Offline
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Registered: 09/14/06
Posts: 220
Loc: Brandon Fl.USA
Hey folks, we are martial artist. Peace is not our business.
But seriously, talk about genious at work. I was reading the home town paper (Toledo Ohio) and this AM they have a big front page article about the grand opening of a huge new ethanol plant outside of town. The product they are using to produce the ethenol (whiskey) is corn. Now anyone who has ever done any farming will tell you that corn is one of the most expensive and labor intensive crops to grow. It takes huge amounts of fertilizer usually high grade phosphates and tons of insecticides and herbicides all produced from petroleum. Now most of the corn produced in the U.S. is used for cattle feed, food products such as oils and sweeteners etc. So if we divert corn to ethanol production for fuel what happens to food prices ? The people in Brazil, a third world country seem to have solved the problem. They make ethenol from sugar cane and a plant called switchgrass, both easy and cheap to grow and use the plant bi products not only for cattle and hog feed but burn it in low emmision power plants to power the very facilities that produce the ethanol. The result is they import very little oil and export ethanol and fuel is usually about $0.99 cents a gallon (U.S.) at the pump. This is a good thing as the reduction in pollutants helps in a very miniscule way offseting the huge amount of pollution caused by burning down the Amazon rain forest. By the way, we grow huge amounts of sugar cane in the U.S. which is highly subsidized by the government and switch grass grows wild all over the U.S. and can even grow in rocky nasty soil where crops won't grow and is drought tolerant. Ok, there is your Nobel prize. Find a way to get our government to start using some common sense and follow the lead of countries like Brazil. All you will have to do is find a way to keep the CEO's of big oil out of the way. If fuel goes down to $0.99 a gallon what would happen to those $35,000,000 per year bonuses they are receiving ? In the meantime I use ethanol every once in a while.
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#377035 - 01/11/08 09:51 AM Re: The Global Warming thread... [Re: wristtwister]
MattJ Offline
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1st link... led to IPCC information; Googled IPCC and got:
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Oslo, 10 December 07 - The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr. were awarded of the Nobel Peace Prize "for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change".









"In bed together".

Grady, you crack me up. Simply amazing that you can dismiss an entire, worldwide peer-reviewed consensus about global warming.

And make up your mind - does the rest of the world hate us or not? If they are all socialists and communists that hate us, why would they take a position supported by a prominent American, and the two most influential ecological policy arms of our own goverment? Are the EPA and NOAA communists as well? Ridiculous.

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just because there are scientists in it doesn't make it's literature and sales information "scientific data".




The scary thing is, I think you actually believe that.
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