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#377136 - 01/21/08 08:41 PM Re: Show me [Re: floatfishski]
MattJ Offline
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FFS -

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That's the problem. Global warming is viewed as the crow bar by which wide spread social enginering changes can be made in the "global" community. It is the tried and standard approach used by Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, and virtually every dictator in history.




Tell me you didn't just go THERE. Pollution control = genocide? WTF. Godwin's law FTW.

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Here in lies the conundrum though - only prosperous people give a rats butt about the environment.




Absolutely false statement. Many non-prosperous people care about their environments.

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Prosperity requires wealth production, and economies that produce the greatest wealth are those with the greatest degree(s) of freedom.




Per your Hitler statement, perhaps you have a "final solution" for non-prosperous people.

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We are spending billions on the IPCC to produce and accomplish nothing. Show them that certain finger, pull the funding, and use it elsewhere to produce something. Use on research that might actually provide technologies that replace fossil fuels. Use it to stimulate economies.




Solving problems requires identifying problems, which is what the IPCC report is about.

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First, he was neither shunned nor discredit by the Academy.




They certainly did not stand behind the report you linked to. I don't know what YOU call that, but shunned or discredited is appropriate in that instance.

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The Academy actually still honors Seitz's many accomplishments.




Never said they didn't.

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As to the funding issue, many scientists at NOAA, NCAR and other facilities have had funding pulled when their research results didn't support Gore apocolypse. And they have testified to such before the Senate.




Hearsay. Links?
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#377137 - 01/21/08 08:54 PM Re: Show me [Re: MattJ]
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You guys must be TERRIFIED of all the leftists out there




No, and I've studied enough history to know that when you want terrorists, the left is the best place to start looking. Have you never read a history book?.. or have you simply absorbed their "peace, love, and harmony" B-S while they try to undermine society?

Just for giggles, sometime google-fu the incidents of leftist history, such as the Russian Revolution, Communism in China, and see how nice, peaceful, and kind-hearted our leftist brothers and sisters are. Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot are good examples of leftist "re-education" techniques, and if you think the ecological movements aren't their "tool", you need that tin-foil hat yourself.

Many of the leftists who were "prime movers" in the communist and socialist movements fell out of favor with their "brothers", and were murdered for nothing more than "policy differences", so it's not all that bad to be a bit tepid toward leftys. I'm not scared of snakes, but I don't want a viper living in my house... you never know when they'll decide to bite you... and leftists are just like them... and they're mean .

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#377138 - 01/21/08 09:10 PM Re: Show me [Re: wristtwister]
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...and on the far right, what do we see? facism and authoritarian monarchical dictatorships who reject democracy, liberalism and individualism. Do I even need to name the famous far rightists in history?

I think the French revolution and American revolution were the first times the political dichonmy of 'left' and 'right' first started...good thing the left won those struggles, wouldn't you agree?

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#377139 - 01/21/08 09:17 PM Re: Show me [Re: wristtwister]
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Grady -

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No, and I've studied enough history to know that when you want terrorists, the left is the best place to start looking. Have you never read a history book?..




Does it SEEM like I have ever read a history book, Grady? Lord knows I'm not known for my researching, right?

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Just for giggles, sometime google-fu the incidents of leftist history, such as the Russian Revolution, Communism in China,




So now all liberals are communists? Very McCarthy-ist of you. (See? History!)

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Many of the leftists who were "prime movers" in the communist and socialist movements fell out of favor with their "brothers", and were murdered for nothing more than "policy differences", so it's not all that bad to be a bit tepid toward leftys.




'CAUSE AL GORE GONNA GITCHA!!!!!!

You're killing me, Grady!!!!

And I guess we're forgetting all those fine right-wing folk. Islamic Jihad, Westboro Church, Salem Witch Trials, Crusades, KKK, Tim McVeigh......etc.

Oh wait, perhaps we're forgetting them because our fine administration is not being forthcoming about their existence! I know it's shocking that our fine administration wouldn't be forthcoming about something, but.....

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/050712/12natsec.htm

"The DHS report listed radical leftist groups, such as the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front, which have been involved in numerous arson cases, but not violent right-wing militia and skinhead groups."
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#377140 - 01/21/08 10:18 PM Re: Show me [Re: MattJ]
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"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier....just so long as I'm the dictator."
-George W. Bush 12/2000

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#377141 - 01/21/08 10:21 PM So now all liberals are communists? Very McCarthy- [Re: MattJ]
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History has proven the McCarthy was right.

I can't think of any liberal I know, or any liberal politician that is not a communist.

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#377142 - 01/21/08 10:55 PM Re: Show me [Re: Ed_Morris]
wristtwister Offline
like a chiropractor, only evil

Registered: 02/14/06
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Loc: South Carolina
Ed,
anybody that's falling off the plate is trouble... left or right... the "supremicists" of any ilk are problems... the history of leftys, however, shows millions of casualties in the name of "cleansing the society". That doesn't let the facists or others off the hook either, whose record is just as dismal, but look at the societies that have followed both kinds of purges.

One of my students is from Poland, and grew up under communism, and lived there when communism devolved into today's Poland. Maybe if you think that kind of life is for you, you might need to have a talk with him. He laughs at a lot of what people think of communism because he lived under it. He says communism is exactly like the depiction in Animal Farm... everybody's equal, only some are more equal than others... You can have your share of everything... they're just always out of it. He remembers standing in line for 3 days to get a washing machine, and then being turned away because "they had passed out their allotment" of them... same with groceries... same with meat... just about anything. You want a utopia... there it is...

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You're killing me, Grady!!!!




Matt, the difference is that I wouldn't be...

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#377143 - 01/21/08 11:20 PM Re: So now all liberals are communists? Very McCarthy- [Re: JAMJTX]
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I can't think of anyone who thinks that, who doesn't have an abject emotional fear of sensability.


Matt, we have nothing to worry about - they are only after hollywood directors, actors, writers, silent film stars and strangers in airport bathrooms. oh yes and almost forgot, it a good thing we are also not non-white homosexual pagan incense-burning vegan terrorists who want to plant more trees, get married and vote within the bible-belt.

meanwhile, they apparently have no problem with opening up the floodgates of immigration - as long as it's from a poor country that the Corps. can use as a cheap labor force that doesn't complain.

If they are worried about communist sabators, what they should be worried about is their personal Russian mail-orders and Chinese concubines. we don't see them turning down on that spigot of immigration, do we.


viva la Amerika!

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#377144 - 01/21/08 11:34 PM Re: Show me [Re: wristtwister]
Ed_Morris Offline
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Grady, I'm no where near the far left. Communism was a failed experiment...how it still survives today is beyond me - but it probably has something to do with the shear population numbers of the near Eastern countries that still hang on to it.

I haven't seen any communists marching down America avenue - what I have seen/heard/read numerous times EVERY year are the skinhead neo-group hicks marching their hate thru every middle-america town. If you want to start cracking down on groups, nevermind the people in sandals eating grape-nuts - start with the haters.

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#377145 - 01/21/08 11:43 PM Re: So now all liberals are communists? Very McCarthy- [Re: JAMJTX]
floatfishski Offline
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History has proven the McCarthy was right.

I can't think of any liberal I know, or any liberal politician that is not a communist.




That is a bit over the top and you might want to re-think. Yes, todays liberals have a healthy element of Marxist thought but they are not communists. An argument based on anthropogenic forcing v. natural forcing has merit. Stick to that.

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