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#376265 - 01/15/08 06:46 PM Re: Safety [Re: underdog]
fileboy2002 Offline
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underdog, you are jumping into the middle of a conversation w/o knowing what it is about. A number of posters on here have made fantastic claims, including the one about being able to prevent being scalded by using chi. That is very much related to the martial arts.

Martial arts are so rich in what they offer, and it bugs me to see them discredited because people believe foolish things.

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#376266 - 01/16/08 12:12 PM Re: Safety [Re: fileboy2002]
jude33 Offline
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Quote:

underdog, you are jumping into the middle of a conversation w/o knowing what it is about. A number of posters on here have made fantastic claims, including the one about being able to prevent being scalded by using chi. That is very much related to the martial arts.

Martial arts are so rich in what they offer, and it bugs me to see them discredited because people believe foolish things.




Fileboy. I dont think that conversation was connected to claims of chi. If I remember it was someones observation of someone placing their hands in to a boiling fluid and not being scolded.

If the person saw what he saw and described the event then why is that persons belief's at fault? As far as I can gather he didint do the demonstration and make any claims.


Jude's thought out quote on this subject about people's (no one specifically I am just generalising) counter arguments .

A person focusing their inner energy

(the title given to the energy can be at that persons discretion should they not believe in inner energy)

on researching and then finding a good counter argument.

Might then give a better counter argument,

Than another person focusing their energy on negative statements that seem to be based on none thought out conclusions.

Jude


Edited by jude33 (01/16/08 12:26 PM)

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#376267 - 01/16/08 09:09 PM Re: Safety [Re: wristtwister]
winterwarrior Offline
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I concur with your points. Pressure points were typically only used by highly skilled individuals because they require a modicum of skill to make them work. You need to be able to fight to hit the points. I think of the points as the sharp edge on a sword. Yes the edge cuts but someone skilled has to swing it.

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#376268 - 01/16/08 09:12 PM Re: Safety [Re: wristtwister]
winterwarrior Offline
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I also believe that some instructors are just trying to capitalize on this subject for commercial reasons. One instructor even claims to be able to do a no contact knock out to further line his pockets. I think some reality checks are in order. I work in law enforcement and fight in the real world on a regular basis. Too many people train in the dojo and have no real world experience.

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#376269 - 01/17/08 04:31 AM Re: Safety [Re: winterwarrior]
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That is precisely why I have no aspirations to train in anything "spectacular". Actually, I am spending more of my training time going back to basics. I need to be able to fight for self defense. I work in a high risk job for someone who is not an LEO or military. I'm a psychiatric nurse and my clients are substance abusers. In addition, every year of my life, I become more vulnerable. That is the "missed" point I was trying to make before. In my world, the ability to be able to do any, in the gammut of extraordinary Kyusho skills, that are not combat ready or combat applicable, be it with boiling water or no touch, is not relevant. These are not things that are going to help me. I just get the best training I can and train at MY OWN LEVEL and leave the exaulted things to others. I don't even worry about them. I detach and mind my own training. No anger, no resentments - just teach me that which will help me.
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#376270 - 01/17/08 06:05 PM Re: Safety [Re: fileboy2002]
wristtwister Offline
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Fileboy,
that really irritates the **** out of me. I was sitting in the room where that demo happened, so unless you're wanting to call me a liar, or were there and had different information, I'd leave that one alone. A similar phenomenon is carried out all the time all over the world... firewalking. If you want to see it's validity, google-fu that term and you'll get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-walking ... but I suppose you have "other information" to share on that too.

The zen master that did the demo made no claims other than to demonstrate the power of the mind over his own body. Now water boils at 212 degrees Farenheit... the firewalkers walk on coals over 1000 degrees... and there's plenty of evidence (and films) of that... so why is it "beyond belief" that the zen master could do something as meager as a 114 degree temperature dissipation with his mind?

That has nothing at all to do with pressure points, but it was simply a demo that I witnessed .
Quote:

Equally questionable claims have been made



I must suppose that the firewalking claims are also "false"... eh?

Just for the record... http://www.pitt.edu/~dwilley/Fire/FireTxt/record.html
by the way... that's a 1715 degree transfer dissipation.



Edited by wristtwister (01/17/08 06:08 PM)
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#376271 - 01/18/08 10:17 AM Re: Safety [Re: wristtwister]
underdog Offline
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My teacher and his friends did a fire walk a few years ago. They took photos. It was kind of like a one day retreat. They did some groupy kind of mind preparing things and the evening ended with the fire walk. So I know that not only is it possible, but it doesn't even take decades of preparation.

I'm not trying it though.
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#376272 - 01/18/08 01:58 PM Re: Safety [Re: wristtwister]
jude33 Offline
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... but I suppose you have "other information" to share on that too.






I doubt if it will be information based on anything other than negative comments.

I think like with the monks in the experiment (cold) there has to be certain physical adjustments/ aspects to most things done in this way.

The thing I find somewhat off putting is when certain people cant be bothered looking in to how things are done.

Jude

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#376273 - 01/19/08 04:01 AM Re: Safety [Re: jude33]
fileboy2002 Offline
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I am not sure why, jude33, but for some reason it is very hard to understand you. Are you a native speaker of English?

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#376274 - 01/19/08 08:50 AM Re: Safety [Re: fileboy2002]
jude33 Offline
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I am not sure why, jude33, but for some reason it is very hard to understand you. Are you a native speaker of English?




Seems like we are going off topic again.




So back to the topic

Pressure points

Jude


Edited by jude33 (01/19/08 09:15 AM)

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