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#375135 - 01/10/08 07:40 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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They may not be able to say what exactly this is in terms of current scientific terminology or where it's found on the Periodic Table or where it stands under Newton's Laws or whether it has any bearing on the current understanding of Quantum Physics. But the answer that this camp has to give when asked the question -- do you believe in this Bio-physio-energy (which the chinese gave it the name of 'chi' for reasons which I have explained elsewhere) -- would have been the same answer that Jesus Christ would have given if asked the question whether He believed in God, and the answer would have been No!




I cant quite see the comparision?


There are a lot of unexplained things on this planet.

One being because of the enviroment of certain forests in North America there are forest fires.
The cones from the trees only open during intense heat.
Survival of the trees dictates this.
How and where is the programming for such an event?
No one knows so it is just accepted.

I think the very belief that chi exists should bring about positive change.
I would like to ask a question.
How/ what method did the people train for years?

Jude

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#375136 - 01/10/08 08:00 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: jude33]
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I cant quite see the comparision?




When you "know" something, it is no longer a "belief"


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How/ what method did the people train for years?




My method STARTS with ('AIR') the "Arbitrary Initiation Ritual"
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#375137 - 01/10/08 08:31 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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My method STARTS with ('AIR') the "Arbitrary Initiation Ritual"




Cant find a thing on this. Not on the internet.
And why should initiation to something help with meditation.

Explain please?

Jude

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#375138 - 01/10/08 09:05 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: jude33]
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Guessed update.

Physiological preparation
I am guessing that part of the physiological preparation is the gradual build up of brown fat in the body done by gradual exposure to the cold.

It seems the human body does adapt to cold conditions given the right process. Once adapted, then, where as a person not adapted to the cold would normally shiver the person who has adapted wouldn’t.

Exercise increases the thermogenic effect of brown fat.
The use of the brown fat for heat would be on top of the normal process of the bodies normal heat production.

The release of norepinephrine (that is the hormone released under stress) is the hormone that activates an enzyme that splits the brown fat cell causing heat.



Psychological preparation.

Plasticity of consciousness remains a key factor in successful biological adaptation.

Certain Scientists are lead to believe that further evidence is being gained with regards to the normal process of the human bodies heat production, being bye-passed by that persons trained consciousness thought(s).

Combine this with the heat from the brown fat build up on the human body, might be the reasons for the body heat rising while sitting in the cold.

Jude


Edited by jude33 (01/10/08 09:30 AM)

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#375139 - 01/11/08 08:46 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: jude33]
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Certain Scientists are lead to believe that further evidence is being gained with regards to the normal process of the human bodies heat production, being bye-passed by a persons trained conscious thought process(s). Meditation.

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#375140 - 01/12/08 01:52 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: jude33]
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Cant find a thing on this. Not on the internet.




Have you tried FightingArts.com?
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#375141 - 01/12/08 03:49 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Cant find a thing on this. Not on the internet.




Have you tried FightingArts.com?




Yes.

Interesting answer. Its a hidden secret ?

Its ok I will just stumble along.

Jude

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#375142 - 01/12/08 06:43 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: jude33]
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Its a hidden secret ?




No. It was fully explained with the actual methods in a thread some time ago. Maybe around the later part of last year; probably in this Forum, you know, the usual mutual annihilation chi-wars? You were obviously not paying attention. Maybe Ed Morris can remember where and when; afterall, it was he who came up with 'arbitrary initiation ritual' for which I was most grateful, as previously, it had no name.
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#375143 - 01/12/08 12:27 PM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Quote:

Its a hidden secret ?




No. It was fully explained with the actual methods in a thread some time ago. Maybe around the later part of last year; probably in this Forum, you know, the usual mutual annihilation chi-wars? You were obviously not paying attention. Maybe Ed Morris can remember where and when; afterall, it was he who came up with 'arbitrary initiation ritual' for which I was most grateful, as previously, it had no name.




Might be I wasnt paying attention. I was more than likely training and missed it.

Interesting that if the term chi did'nt exist then there wouldnt be any chi- annihilation-wars. Because there would be nothing to argue about. Because it is argued about then it must exist.


Either way I cant find it.

I ponder if that gives Ed any intellectual copyright, rights?

Jude

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#375144 - 01/12/08 06:26 PM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: jude33]
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Well plenty of people can argue about things that don't exist. I can't tell you how many arguments I've heard from kids about Santa or the Boogeyman. Or some of the more nerdy individuals arguing about some comic book series or sci-fi show. None of these really exist in reality, but you can still argue about them. In economics class we have arguments on selling widgets. Now widgets do not exist but you can still discuss them. Now I'm not saying that chi or something to that effect doesn't exist, I'm just saying that you can argue about fictional stuff just as much as you can argue about something real. Personally I tend to lean more toward the existence of it.

I'd say if he made it, he has the rights so that means that you do owe Ed about $3.50. He'll probably come to collect it from you soon I imagine.

Butterfly: Why should I be on the UN? :-P I didn't leave out the third camp, I just wanted to point out the two main camps that end up arguing about this subject. The third camp typically isn't around to comment or doesn't in most cases.

Sorin

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