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#375125 - 01/08/08 07:48 PM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: fileboy2002]
jude33 Offline
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Quote:

I have posted over 500 times, and I don't think more than three of my posts have included other people's work.

But that is not the point: if I simply "work out" things on my own, you don't accept what I say as legitimate evidence. If I refer to outside sources, you still don't accept it.






This seems to be going around in circles.
If you want a discussion then take out parts of the experiment. Write them out.
State what you agree with or dissagree with.
State why.

From what I wrote.
Do you disagree with the part about the body fat?
The part about the meditation?
Adaptation to cold?
The mind use during this adaptation?
How do you think it is used?

Then state your views.

Jude

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#375126 - 01/08/08 09:42 PM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: jude33]
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First of all, you do not get to dictate to me or anyone else what, how, or in what order we respond to you. Who the @#$% do you think you are? This ain't no prison and I ain't your bitch, bitch.

Second, of all, if I tell you what I think, you will demand evidence. If I provide evidence, you will refuse to consider it on the ground I did not tell you what I think.

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#375127 - 01/08/08 11:32 PM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: fileboy2002]
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First of all, you do not get to dictate to me or anyone else what, how, or in what order we respond to you. Who the @#$% do you think you are? This ain't no prison and I ain't your bitch, bitch.

Second, of all, if I tell you what I think, you will demand evidence. If I provide evidence, you will refuse to consider it on the ground I did not tell you what I think.



hey everyone, I think you just found a new qualified moderator for this room! he's subtle, diplomatic, emotionally-attenuated and obviously knowledgeable...

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#375128 - 01/09/08 12:58 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Sorry, but we all have our limits.

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#375129 - 01/09/08 11:19 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: fileboy2002]
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Fileboy
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First of all, you do not get to dictate to me



Dictate =To issue orders or commands

Jude
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This seems to be going around in circles.
If you want a discussion.




The word “If” gives you the choice of discussing the topic with me or not.
The topic is the experiment and what the poster wrote at the start of the thread.
The topic drifted I attempted to bring it back.
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or anyone else what, how, or in what order we respond to you.




Which anyone else? There wasn’t anyone else. Either the comments had fileboy written above or were addressed to your response box. As I said I am willing to discuss the topic. Unwilling to discuss other things which have no relevance to the topic.
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Who the @#$% do you think you are? This ain't no prison and I ain't your bitch, bitch.




This is where I think/suggest rather than finding fault with things like “chi” you should take up meditation and/or consider to start to believe in chi.

Your above statement might indicate you have very little self control.

Seems like you have had some bad experience.
That isn’t my business.

Please try to stay in control. I would suggest use your mind and Concentrate. Other people use a little chant .
I have thought up a chant. You might wish to share.
Chi exists
Ki exists
Chi exists
repeat Etc etc
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Second, of all, if I tell you what I think, you will demand evidence. If I provide evidence, you will refuse to consider it on the ground I did not tell you what I think





I think it might be said you could realy benefit from meditation.
Might need to clear your mind.
If you post a link and ask me to consider it and I consider it nothing to do with the topic why are you getting confused?

So If you would like a discussion with me about the topic then fine.
If you choose to drift to far off topic I am not interested

Fileboy lighten up.
The world is a wondefull place even with chi, prisons and global warming.

That wasnt an order more of a suggestion
Jude

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#375130 - 01/09/08 05:53 PM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: jude33]
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I have to hand it to you, jude33. The amount of time and energy you have devoted to this is charming in an oddway.

May the force be with you.

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#375131 - 01/09/08 06:06 PM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: fileboy2002]
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I have to hand it to you, jude33. The amount of time and energy you have devoted to this is charming in an oddway.

May the force be with you.




Didnt take long, about 2 mins and chi can be defined as energy as we have established.
So how about you lighten up and discuss the topic.
Self control is something that has to be worked on.

Jude

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#375132 - 01/10/08 01:18 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: jude33]
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Hmm I wouldn't mind commenting on this thread, though I have to go a good ways back to the start to find the actual subject of the thread.

Subject #1: Chi - Maybe there is some force that we can learn to control to control our bodies, heal, or reduce damage to nothing. Or maybe it has to do with just some really talented people who have trained their butts off to be able to control various aspect of their bodies and minds far better then normal people. If someone wants to prove it scientifically, then go for it if someone's willing to fund it. Just because something hasn't been proven by science at this moment doesn't mean it's untrue or BS. Maybe the studies will show that the "feats" are nothing more then extreme body control, or maybe they'll show that it's something beyond the current scientific understanding.

Subject 2: Science - Our science is created by people doing tests and researching subjects. Through these tests, we get a better understanding of how things work. But, it can't be considered as the absolute truth. It's interesting when people cry for scientific evidence for this and that without really thinking about the nature of science. I'll be the first to say that I would hold most things proven through science to be fairly true in most cases, but don't forget that all science starts out as a hypothesis. Then it's subjected to tests and years, and if the results are similar then it's considered a theory. Then after time it becomes considered a law. A law is generally accepted as true. It is not considered absolute truth. Because science is obtained with our current technology and current understanding, many things change as those two factors grow. If you look at a diagram of an atom from early physics and compare it to what you would see in a modern day book, you'll notice a bit of a difference. What was once considered by most scientists to be what it looked like, is not the same now. So, is there a mystical force that people can control? Maybe, maybe not.. Can science prove it? Perhaps.. Though it's probably more possible that if such a thing exists our knowledge and technology would be insufficient to completely understand it. Maybe in a few hundred years, if we haven't destroyed the earth or died of heat stroke we'll know for sure. Until then, we'll just have to debate it back and forth. Just remember, that science isn't always gospel. I would bet that if we had the ability to go anywhere in this universe and study everything out there, we would find that all of our accumulated scientific knowledge is nothing more then a children's book if you compare it to reality.

In the end, all everyone is probably going to end up doing is arguing. It's a shame that there seems to be a majority of two camps. Those that believe what they see and hear completely and those that think it's a magic trick without even considering the possibility. It would be far better if the believers were a little more skeptical and the skeptics opened their minds a little bit more. Surely the middle ground is always the easiest place for everyone to meet without killing each other.

Sorin


Edited by Sorin (01/10/08 01:25 AM)

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#375133 - 01/10/08 06:40 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: Sorin]
jude33 Offline
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These analogies further reinforce the idea that
plasticity of consciousness remains a key factor in successful biological adaptation.

My thoughts.
The thoughts from certain scientists who have done research
In meditation indicate to me that a persons belief of chi in the correct way will have a positive effect on their body. If they believe and the body is physically capable of doing given tasks it will

The practice of meditation (to me at least) is a way of reprogramming the mind.

Looking for another persons wrong meaning of chi wouldnt gain anything for the person who is looking.

Jude

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#375134 - 01/10/08 07:07 AM Re: CHI? Tibetan Monks, Harvard, scientific study. [Re: Sorin]
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Would you consider applying for a job at the United Nations?

"It's a shame that there seems to be a majority of two camps. Those that believe what they see and hear completely and those that think it's a magic trick without even considering the possibility. It would be far better if the believers were a little more skeptical and the skeptics opened their minds a little bit more"

You left out a third camp -- those that have actually put in the time and effort to train (for years) to acquire contact with and control of this "force/energy" and feel it coursing through their bodies at the speed of thought. For this camp, it is not a theory.

They may not be able to say what exactly this is in terms of current scientific terminology or where it's found on the Periodic Table or where it stands under Newton's Laws or whether it has any bearing on the current understanding of Quantum Physics. But the answer that this camp has to give when asked the question -- do you believe in this Bio-physio-energy (which the chinese gave it the name of 'chi' for reasons which I have explained elsewhere) -- would have been the same answer that Jesus Christ would have given if asked the question whether He believed in God, and the answer would have been No!
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