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#374389 - 12/17/07 02:09 PM spinning hands in malaysia (video)...
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#374390 - 12/17/07 10:40 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: ashe_higgs]
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hmm, looks like a cross between Tai Chi push hands and Wing Chun chi sao not done on the centerline.

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#374391 - 12/19/07 01:07 AM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: WC_Lun]
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yeah, kinda.

we try and control the mass, which lies on the centerline, but you don't need to be on the centerline to control the mass.
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#374392 - 12/19/07 03:40 AM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: ashe_higgs]
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hey guys thats just called push hands in Bagua Zhang. Thats the way you push hand in bagua zhang including moving and using footwork, at least in the system I know of Bagua Zhang. Yin style BGZ.


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#374393 - 12/19/07 04:00 AM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: EFRAIN]
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no, bagua doesn't call it push hands (tui shou) bagua uses rou shou (rolling hands), but spinning hands from ILC is a little bit different than both, but shares a lot in common.
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#374394 - 12/19/07 08:12 AM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: ashe_higgs]
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Interesting, Ashe. Does that type of practice typically go to clinch range? You don't normally see that in Chi Sao or push hands, as far as I know.
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#374395 - 12/19/07 01:47 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: MattJ]
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oh yes, definitely. we divide the practice into 1st section, 2nd section and 3rd section.

1st section is the wrist, 2nd section is the elbow and 3rd section is the shoulder or body (i.e. cinch range).

we also recognize each section at different ranges (long medium and close), i.e. 1st section can be at close range, 2nd section could be trained at long range, etc.

the spinning hand has to be trained at all the sections and all the rages at each section.
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#374396 - 12/19/07 07:53 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: ashe_higgs]
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We have the same concepts in Wing Chun Chi Sao.

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#374397 - 12/24/07 10:07 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: ashe_higgs]
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ashe_higgs

"no, bagua doesn't call it push hands (tui shou) bagua uses rou shou (rolling hands), but spinning hands from ILC is a little bit different than both, but shares a lot in common."


lol OK What is the difference?"rolling hands" and "push hands" When you push your doing both or eventually it will get to that. In bagua you do both not just rolling hands persay. ONE should never categorized it as this or that. your still pushing in different ways and when you do such drills while practicing or fighting it should be basically open. meaning dont restrict yourself to certain drills or so called moves/techniques. Bagua is all about change.

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#374398 - 12/24/07 10:17 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: EFRAIN]
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your still pushing in different ways and when you do such drills while practicing or fighting it should be basically open.




that's true, you wanna stay freestyle to keep it real, but most schools have regimented practices that are quite distinct.

even the difference between chen and yang tui shou can be pretty dramatic.
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