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#374399 - 12/26/07 12:45 AM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: ashe_higgs]
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why not just call it sticky hands practice?
and no WC is not what I practice

the concept of sticking and the bridge is common to many Chinese MA.
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#374400 - 12/26/07 01:04 AM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: IExcalibui2]
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Hey guys. Why don't we just get together and try out our push hands/spinning hands techniques and exchange useful knowledge. Well, this goes to the guys around the nyc tristates are or anybody willing to come around and meet somewhere. lol JUST FOR THOUGHT.

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#374401 - 12/26/07 02:20 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: IExcalibui2]
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Quote:

why not just call it sticky hands practice?





what's in the video is sort of a blend of sticky hand and spinning hand.

here's a "pure" spinning hands clip;

true spinning

in ILC spinning hands and sticky hands are two separate training modalities.
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#374402 - 12/26/07 02:52 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: ashe_higgs]
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These guys are toooo hard man.. First of all their posture is terrible, body not aligned, back not straight and they are not controling the elbows. In push hand/spinning hands not matter what you do you just gotta stick to the person, always stay connected and flow. When pushing hands neither opponent is suppose to feel each others energy. These 2 guys seem really tense.

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#374403 - 12/26/07 03:11 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: EFRAIN]
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Also Do you guys use footwork? I didnt see any footwork at all and was wondering if it is used where you train. by the way what style of bagua do you do?

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#374404 - 12/26/07 03:14 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: EFRAIN]
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Maybe the guys in the video are doing something different than what you are accustomed to?
Just because they are doing something different doesn't mean that it is wrong or that it is a bad training method.

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First of all their posture is terrible, body not aligned, back not straight and they are not controling the elbows.



I thought that their posture was fine. The fellow in the white shirt has a slight hunch in the back, but the fellow in the black shirt has his alignments together. It is a bit difficult to see this, but you can see how he has his base underneath him giving him a stable root.
What is it that you see that you think is 'out of alignment'?
The back does not have to be straight just so long as it is the correct structural alignment with the base. If you look at 'blacks' spine it is straight, it is just not perpendicular to the ground.

The more of these videos of people demonstrating their push hands, etc. the more you realize that the only way to really understand what someone is doing and how they actually feel is to actually touch hands with that person.
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#374405 - 12/26/07 03:22 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: Fisherman]
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I do agree with you the gentlemen in the black does have a good posture. I looked at the video more and analyzed it and yes you are correct.

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#374406 - 12/26/07 03:25 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: EFRAIN]
Fisherman Offline
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What kind of bagua do you do EFRAIN?
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#374407 - 12/26/07 07:33 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: Fisherman]
EFRAIN Offline
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I do YIN style BAGUA ZHANG

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#374408 - 12/26/07 11:43 PM Re: spinning hands in malaysia (video)... [Re: EFRAIN]
IExcalibui2 Offline
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spinning or not, they are still sticking...thus sticky hands
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