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#372346 - 12/11/07 04:50 PM Re: TKD-Skippi's amalgamated patterns [Re: trevek]
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I'm curious. I always learned to kihap at the end of a pattern but later I saw some ITF guys who always called out the name of the pattern at the end. The chap in these vids doesn't, he kihaps. Is this something to do with grade or fashion?




I too Kihap at the end of the Tuls.

But I also kihap after each Power-Technique
(It was taught that each Power-Technique was to be performed with full Focus and full force). I have heard other ITF styles "Hissing" like snakes after each move though. Which is "interesting"
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#372347 - 12/11/07 06:02 PM Re: TKD-Skippi's amalgamated patterns [Re: GriffyGriff]
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We call the name of the pattern at the end. Must be a fashion thing I guess. We don't kihap on power techniques either, just exhale on them all.

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#372348 - 12/11/07 06:14 PM Re: TKD-Skippi's amalgamated patterns [Re: Supremor]
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So we learned when and how to kihap?

Sounds like its a must see video. Is this better than Master Hee Il Cho books and videos?
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#372349 - 12/11/07 07:41 PM Re: TKD-Skippi's amalgamated patterns [Re: TeK9]
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We don't kihap.

We don't hiss as that is a breath through the mouth.

We are taught to breath out throught the nose upon completion of a technique

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#372350 - 12/11/07 09:41 PM Re: TKD-Skippi's amalgamated patterns [Re: flynch]
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We are taught to breath out throught the nose upon completion of a technique




That sounds strange.

Exhaling from the nose is a slower process of air evacuation than out of the mouth, also you are in danger of getting covered in bogies.
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#372351 - 12/12/07 03:13 PM Re: TKD-Skippi's amalgamated patterns [Re: TeK9]
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To record the patterns without the applications would be a disservice. Leaving each pattern open to interpretation and scrutiny which would only add to the chaos in which the ITF is trying to eradicate by standardizing its global curriculum.




It is really just about impossible to record Tuls with the applications, as there are numerous applications available, depending on the attack. The founder kept it simple. His blocks & defensive movements were desinged more for protecting an area, rather than against a type of attack. Basically, he would often say, if it makes sense, then good application. In other words, he laid out 3,200+ fundamental movements for one to add to their arenal & use as the situation at hand called for.

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#372352 - 12/12/07 03:17 PM Re: TKD-Skippi's amalgamated patterns [Re: trevek]
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I'm curious. I always learned to kihap at the end of a pattern but later I saw some ITF guys who always called out the name of the pattern at the end.




The ITF requires one to finish the last kove, then state the name of the Tul. Each one of the movements (970, with KoDang 1009) in the patterns, are to be performed with realism & maximum power. The idea of saving a KiHap to the end for the killer blow goes against a goal of ITF TKD. We are also required to exhale briefly, from the lower abdomen, with each movement, with the exception of a connecting motion. The exhale does not need or requre a hiss or loud noise, but rather, to come from deep, not the mouth.

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#372353 - 12/12/07 04:14 PM Re: TKD-Skippi's amalgamated patterns [Re: ITFunity]
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The idea of saving a KiHap to the end for the killer blow goes against a goal of ITF TKD.




Then why does the chap in these vids kihap?

On the hissing thing... I once trained in a top Polish ITF club and was kihapping like crazy, having been training on and off with WTF clubs for a while. The trainer took me aside and told me "It is Tssss"
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#372354 - 12/12/07 09:54 PM Re: TKD-Skippi's amalgamated patterns [Re: trevek]
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Trevek I'd have to disagree, there are actualy plenty of kata instructionals out there now that demonstrate kata applications. I myslef happen to own a Shorin Ryu 10 volume DVD collection where the Master Instructor goes over the kata then gives 5 different scenario responses per kata. And there are many others.

However, I've never seen any for TKD, mainly just Okinawan karate and kenpo.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but having 3200 fundamental movements is not keeping things simple. Thats a bit excessive.

I to no longer respond to the type of attacks but the angles from which they come from. This narrows an infinite amount of response and blocks to around just 5 angles. I keep it simple also, I don't need all those blocks, in fact I no longer use any.
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#372355 - 12/13/07 05:40 AM Re: TKD-Skippi's amalgamated patterns [Re: TeK9]
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TeK,

that answer isn't for me... I think it is for ITF Unity.
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