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#372280 - 12/01/07 10:29 AM Instructor kicks student 200 times
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WTF!

Saw this link over at BudoSeek:

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--kickingarrest1126nov26,0,1593850.story

"SUFFOLK, Va. - A martial arts instructor has been arrested for kicking an 11-year-old student more than 200 times, causing internal injuries and possibly breaking a rib.

Police say 47-year-old Susan Bateman of Hampton was arrested November 20th and charged with one felony count of child endangerment.

Police Lieutenant D.J. George says Bateman issued a challenge November 7th during class at a Suffolk dojo to see how many kicks to the abdomen students could take. Students got into a push-up position while Bateman kicked, stopping when the student either said to or went to his or her knees. George says the 11-year-old boy and another student took more than 200 kicks as the class counted.

The student didn't tell his parents until he needed medical attention."

WHAT IN THE HELL WAS SHE THINKING?!?!
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#372281 - 12/01/07 12:45 PM Re: Instructor kicks student 200 times [Re: MattJ]
Adjuntant_Reflex Offline
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WHAT?! That instructer should be demoted to a white belt for that and thrown in jail!!!
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#372282 - 12/01/07 04:05 PM Re: Instructor kicks student 200 times [Re: MattJ]
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This is terrible. It's always horrible when a teacher abuses their students. And it reflects poorly on the MA community.
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#372283 - 12/01/07 04:25 PM Re: Instructor kicks student 200 times [Re: Leo_E_49]
Adjuntant_Reflex Offline
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Yeah, as Mr. Myagi put it "No such thing as bad student,only bad teacher"
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#372284 - 12/01/07 04:55 PM Re: Instructor kicks student 200 times [Re: MattJ]
hedkikr Offline
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Registered: 02/28/05
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Let's see how many of my kicks she can take.

She should never be allowed to be near a MA school/club/gym again for the rest of her life (I'll make an exception for my club)

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#372285 - 12/01/07 05:11 PM Re: Instructor kicks student 200 times [Re: hedkikr]
JasonM Offline
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pfft...where is everyones warrior spirit...That good training...j/k

Yeah, that is terrible...She is a bully, period...
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#372286 - 12/01/07 07:21 PM Re: Instructor kicks student 200 times [Re: JasonM]
TKD-Skippi Offline
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Registered: 11/20/04
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why did she want to do that....what possible benefit did she think it wold have? some people are just crazier than the average person....
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#372287 - 12/01/07 08:37 PM Re: Instructor kicks student 200 times [Re: TKD-Skippi]
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I do not condone the actions but this is blown out of proportion in my view. yes it was an extreme lack of judgment on the instructors part, but she made a mistake and from all accounts she is going to pay for it, long after we here forget about it.

it was voluntary and she stop if the student indicated they had enough, or if there knees touched the ground. only one student was injured, infact another lasted longer. over 200 kicks they must not have been very hard. this type of training would be fine in an older student. the only mistake she made was to apply it to such a young age group.

what injuries where actually made. it said internal injuries and MAYBE a broken rib. hell at that age I had the same thing playing soccer. I had broke my finger trying to catch a young steer, and I don't know how many times I fell out of trees

Again before the do-gooders condemn me for condoning child abuse, this was not child abuse, it was neglectful treatment for sure but not abuse. Hell you see a 7 or 8 yr old competing in a thai match and everyone says it's so cute and he'll be great when he's older. Children are encourage to play full contact football, hockey etc is that not a form of child abuse too then.

Sure she stuffed up big time but I doubt very much that she is the evil old crone that people are making her out to be.
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#372288 - 12/02/07 05:01 AM Re: Instructor kicks student 200 times [Re: drgndrew]
TKD-Skippi Offline
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Registered: 11/20/04
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your quite right, she probably not the evil crone. I just think theres difference between letting a child play a full contact sport and kicking them repeatedly in the guts. yeah I've broken a few bones and got whiplash mountain biking and skateboarding but not internal injuries to the extant that i needed to see a doctor. I think calling this 'training' is a bit of a stretch.
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#372289 - 12/02/07 06:23 AM Re: Instructor kicks student 200 times [Re: TKD-Skippi]
Leo_E_49 Offline
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Registered: 02/24/05
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Loc: California
The difference between a contact sport and child abuse is that in a contact sport, the child knows of and agrees to participate in an activity where they have control over whether they do get injured, attempts are made to avoid injury and injury should only occur in the case of an accident. Child abuse is when someone forces a child to undergo pain and injury, either by manipulation or by physically forcing them to. I would call what she did child abuse.

Here is how the Australian Sports Commission defines child abuse in sports:

http://www.ausport.gov.au/ethics/cpoverview.asp

I'm sure governments elsewhere would view this issue in a similar manner.

The act of kicking your students repeatedly as a form of punishment is dubious as it is, regardless of their age.


Edited by Leo_E_49 (12/02/07 06:35 AM)
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