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#370803 - 01/23/08 03:01 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: Ed_Morris]
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cast of "Chishack":

ButterflyPalm (& eyrie playing stunt double)



wristwister



Gavin




stand-ins asking questions:

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#370804 - 01/23/08 06:43 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Just watching the DVD boxset What the bleep do we know?

Bloody interesting stuff. Found the main program initially fascinating when it was talking about Quantum Mechanics, but I found it starting drifting away from science and into opinion and conjecture....a bit too much like a "Positive Thinking" sale pitch to me. BUT the DVD extras though are awesome. Just on the first DVD extra which is details a load of experiments and interpretations of the results. Very interesting stuff!
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#370805 - 01/23/08 07:28 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: Gavin]
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that looks pretty funny.

not to keep jumping around in this thread that now reads like swiss cheese, but the unconscious structures I was getting at in discussing stationary training, was hoping to lead to a discussion of intercostal muscles as it relates to methods of training.

everyone throwing in thoughts on that, would be great...

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#370806 - 01/23/08 07:40 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: Gavin]
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Now, it really wasn't necessary to get Wrist angry, again.

As for Gavin, we should be hearing from him very soon (in the form of a lengthy but well written article) on the intricacies of Chipmunkian grammar.

Eyrie, I dunno, seems rather quiet these days. He has even been categorised as being "...no fun" in the Aikido thread.

As for Ed, well, he'll always be Ed no matter what you add.
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#370807 - 01/23/08 11:47 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: Ed_Morris]
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not to keep jumping around in this thread that now reads like swiss cheese, but the unconscious structures I was getting at in discussing stationary training, was hoping to lead to a discussion of intercostal muscles as it relates to methods of training.




Intercostal muscles. The muscles of breathing.

So do you mean keeping them in a state of isometric contraction while staying in a stance?

All the rest of you guys on here, I think Ed wants to discuss the topic.


Jude


Edited by jude33 (01/23/08 11:51 AM)

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#370808 - 01/23/08 07:20 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: jude33]
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Hmmm.... I thought I'd come out of hiding to just say... Ashe Higgs posted a few interesting tidbits in the Kung Fu forum. The ones that come to mind are the relationship to core training and the one about myofascial structures.

Not sure what intercostal muscles have anything to do with this. It's far deeper than that... (pun intended).

* retreats into bat cave to hug imaginary trees whilst riding imaginary steppe ponies *

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#370809 - 01/23/08 10:14 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: eyrie]
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Hmmm.... I thought I'd come out of hiding to just say... Ashe Higgs posted a few interesting tidbits in the Kung Fu forum. The ones that come to mind are the relationship to core training and the one about myofascial structures.




ok, I will have a look at it.
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Not sure what intercostal muscles have anything to do with this. It's far deeper than that... (pun intended).





Would it be at all possable, to be explained, perhaps a bit more in depth?

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* retreats into bat cave to hug imaginary trees whilst riding imaginary steppe ponies *





I am led to believe some of our ancestors (according to science) liked to hug trees for most of their lives. I think they lived in them. That was before the up-heavel of the Earth made for less trees.

Thats where caves became like real estate.

Horse riding also came later

So could it said? That living in a cave, imagining tree hugging and pony riding might have something to do with our genetic memory?

Jude

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#370810 - 01/23/08 10:52 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: jude33]
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You're reading way too much into it... it's just "core" training...

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#370811 - 01/23/08 11:57 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: eyrie]
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#370812 - 01/24/08 12:03 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: Ed_Morris]
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as in staying in one posture for an extended amount of time.

I remember doing these drills/exercises, we used to stop and hold at every sequence in kata and just stay in the position for several minutes, then proceed to the next...absolutely exhasting. I kindof forgot about those drills, but was recently reminded of their importance.

somehow, your body just figures out on it's own how to maintain after the major muscles become fatigued....so then the smaller structures start becoming more important as they compensate and make those micro adjustments needed to conserve and maintain.

I don't know the technical terms of whats going on, but I do think it's about a body learning it's own efficiency.


If you are willing to share your thoughts on stationary training from whichever Art point-of-view, it's appreciated.




Ed,
Kind of reminds me of standing in shiko-dachi and punching for long periods of time.
We also use to do line training and there were long periods of stationary training there too.
Makes me wonder....
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