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#370793 - 01/22/08 11:36 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: jude33]
ButterflyPalm Offline
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From what I am reading on this thread it seems stationary training might be aimed at gaining control of the conscious mind.




ehhh...it's actually the other way around.


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While training a skill using the part of the brain that is responsible for skill building. The so called muscle memory part.




That's true only if you see the training as purely physical, which for someone like you who has no experience of experiencing chi circulation will have to fall back on in any explanation as you have no other way to explain or reference it. That's why I said earlier, there are some steps to go through BEFORE you actually come to the stationary part. If you rush into the stationary part first, it will not mean anything as it is just another physical excersize. That's why you say what you say in the above quote.

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So what is the next step? (pun was intended) but realy what is the next part after stationary training as regards training the mind?




You start to move; but this time it is no longer just the physical movements alone, but movements with the chi circulating as well. I can't even begin to tell you what a wonderful feeling it is to move with the chi circulating inside you, it literally adds another dimension to any movement you make. You feel that you actually have two bodies, one inside (the chi body) and another outside (the physical body) and it is this body "inside" (the chi body) that you do the chi projection with. It appears to be independent of the "outside" physical body; which is why I don't blame people for saying it is silly as it is impossible to imagine what it's like without any direct experience; like a sexual orgasm for example.

The kind or structure of the movements is not important at all, which is why you see Tai Chi, Hsing Yi and Bagua all have different movements, especially in Tai Chi. I can invent a whole new set of Tai Chi movements and still call it Tai Chi or whatever. The essential question is is the chi consciously circulating or not, whether you are doing Tai Chi, Hsing Yi, Bagua, Sanchin, Sam Chien or Tensho.

The reason you need to move is because you want to train yourself to be able to instantaneously concentrate a greater amount of chi in specific parts of the body and the particular movements in Tai Chi, etc. are designed to do that because the structure/direction/tension of each movement/posture directs your mind (and therefore your chi) to that part of the body. Just like in ordinary non-chi movements, like using a pen to write, your mind is on the hand holding the pen and "forgets" about the rest of the body doesn't it?
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#370794 - 01/22/08 12:49 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Hi.

Ok.

The part about Bagua. I havent practiced Bagua but it seems to me to be very much involved with muscle torque?

Jude

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#370795 - 01/22/08 06:05 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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there are some steps to go through BEFORE you actually come to the stationary part. If you rush into the stationary part first, it will not mean anything as it is just another physical excersize.


I must have been asleep at the time and missed this... but are you saying that standing stake is jumping ahead? Or are you saying, before you stand, you must learn to crawl?

For clarity, and perhaps, without giving away the farm, what prior objectives should one aim for before attempting to stand?

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#370796 - 01/22/08 06:22 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: eyrie]
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I think he's saying you have to learn to move without moving first, before you can become stationary.

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#370797 - 01/22/08 08:31 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: jude33]
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Jude just generalising.


Doing as he often does, now-a-days, namely he finds other things to do while patiently waiting for the educated types to work things out amongst themselves.

Jude

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#370798 - 01/22/08 09:25 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: jude33]
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jude, you have to think, read and write in riddles. then, and only then, can you be part of the chi club. you have to speak in concepts as: "moving in stillness", "mind over matter", "seeing without looking", "internal reverse breathing", ...you get the idea.

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#370799 - 01/22/08 09:52 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: Ed_Morris]
pathfinder7195 Offline
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Ed, are you also a member? You seem to be at every chi meeting there is. Maybe we could nickname you chi shadow?


Edited by pathfinder7195 (01/22/08 09:54 PM)

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#370800 - 01/22/08 10:32 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: Ed_Morris]
eyrie Offline
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I think he's saying you have to learn to move without moving first, before you can become stationary.


I don't think so....

Standing stake/stationary training trains a number of things. I'm guessing BP means not bypassing a few of the basic pre-requisites, because the mind/body skills build upon and feed into one another.

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#370801 - 01/23/08 12:46 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: eyrie]
ButterflyPalm Offline
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You are technically right and Ed is conceptually right, except that Ed also appears now to have mastered the fine art of speaking in riddles which will do any IMA master proud. Your Chi-RiddleMaster Class One certificate is already in the mail and which will entitle you to officially sit in on any Chi-Master Club meetings.
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#370802 - 01/23/08 02:38 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: ButterflyPalm]
Ed_Morris Offline
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how cool is THAT!

to answer pathfinder71952859304's question:
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Ed, are you also a member? You seem to be at every chi meeting there is. Maybe we could nickname you chi shadow?




think of it more akin to the movie: Caddyshack. Remember the character played by Rodney Dangerield - The loudmouth annoying one-lining buffoon who brute-force buys his way into the high-brow wannabe golf club, wears horribly distasteful clothes and incorporates state-of-the-art technology and adhoc ploys to compensate for his lack of game - since he believes winning and the bottom line are more imortant than playing? well...that'd be me when I crash chi threads.


now, to celebrate my chi-membership:
"Hey everybody, we're gonna get laid!"

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