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#370773 - 01/20/08 05:34 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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If the answer is "none to very little" why would anyone care about your view on what Sanchin or Tensho represent?


The principles of qigong (breath work) are essentially the same - whether it be sanchin, tensho, baduanjin, taiji or whatever. The variations are simply a preferred/"best" way of doing it.

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They may very well have originated in China, but I don't think that Chinese MA have a monopoly on them.


I believe the origins are Indian, or perhaps even earlier from the Middle East.

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#370774 - 01/20/08 07:13 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: eyrie]
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...or perhaps even earlier, from Atlantis. I am not being funny. If 'chi' exists in human beings, and it can be controlled, manipulated and projected beyond the confines of the body (of which I am sure because I can do it) then there is nothing to suggest that humans living on the island of Atlantis (if it existed as told by the ancient Egyptians to, I think it was Plato? or was it Herodotus?) would not have also discovered it way before the ancient Indians/Chinese.

You see, we at this particular Age of material technology has depended so much on external machines to do our work for us that we have gone to the other extreme of neglecting to purposefully develop and utlise the latent powers of the mind/body continuum. It probably would have gone a long time ago if not for ancient martial artists and Yogis who kept developing it for their own devises.

Just imagine what we can achieve if we are to develop our minds to the same extent as we are now pursuing in our present obsession with computer technology. And also the problem with scientists studying these "powers of the human mind" is that they don't practice it themselves and so has an experiential deficit in conducting their experiments the results of which are bound to be puzzling to them and given the problem of language and culture between scientists and subjects, the problem is compounded.

After a couple of millenia of non-use of these areas of the mind, it stands to reason that the human mind will undergo collective atrophy. But of course the other part, the mechanico/utilitarian part will continue to develop and thus chart a particular path towards which human destiny appears now to be heading. It's not good or bad, it's just the way things have turned out.
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#370775 - 01/20/08 12:09 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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one problem: being in tune with the mysterious ancient powers got them a 30-year life expectancy.

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#370776 - 01/20/08 06:30 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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I think it was Plato? or was it Herodotus?


Plato.

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#370777 - 01/20/08 07:14 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Quote by Butterflypalm -

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After a couple of millenia of non-use of these areas of the mind, it stands to reason that the human mind will undergo collective atrophy.




Interesting. In all seriousness, do you feel that the internet is a collective use or non-use of the mind? Perhaps (again, in all seriousness) "chi" may end up taking a different form, from the way the "collective mind" is being implemented. Perhaps the internet IS the "collective mind".
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#370778 - 01/20/08 07:31 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: eyrie]
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Quote:

Quote:

I think it was Plato? or was it Herodotus?


Plato.


Oops... it was Herodotus.

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#370779 - 01/20/08 11:30 PM Re: Stationary training [Re: MattJ]
ButterflyPalm Offline
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Ed,

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one problem: being in tune with the mysterious ancient powers got them a 30-year life expectancy




You must have once been an Atlantean to have known that. Were you the Atlantean Statistician General who kept records of life expectancies?. This probably accounts for your continuing interest in this area in your present incarnation.


Matt,

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Perhaps the internet IS the "collective mind"




Then we are doomed.


Eyrie,

Are you ABSOLUTELY sure?



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#370780 - 01/21/08 12:17 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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by deductive reasoning and then rounding to an even number. here's how:

according to Plato (yes Plato was the first to write about Atlantis), the island sank about 10,000 BCE.

That puts it in the Paleolithic era....stones tools and the beginning of argiculture. based on the archeology, the average lifespan was about 30 for humans at that time.

that number stays pretty much the same (if you don't average in age at death due to war) all the way until the 19th century...coincidently, with the introduction and spread of western science. cool huh?

everyone including the Chinese can thank western medicine. Cultivating a good chi circulation or prayer or tapping into a life force apparently wasn't enough to doubling life expectancy until the invention of the microscope.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/english/200010/20/eng20001020_53183.html

credit where it's due, I always say. critical thinking allowed us to live nearly triple the lifespan within a few generations - whereas magical thinking and superstition sorta kept us steady for millenia at the same amount of years as a monkey.

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#370781 - 01/21/08 12:35 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: Ed_Morris]
ButterflyPalm Offline
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Thank you...ehh...western science, and I say this most sincerely.
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#370782 - 01/21/08 12:57 AM Re: Stationary training [Re: ButterflyPalm]
Ed_Morris Offline
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what? no 'downside of science' rebuttal? I can think of one:

as a continuing species, would we rather live a steady 30 years average each and have generations continue for millions more years....or....would we want technology to help us to live increasingly longer while at the same time the same growth in technology increases the chances of wiping all of us out instantly?


yeah....so anyway, stationary training...

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