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#370544 - 11/27/07 02:31 PM Re: Who earns black belts? [Re: oldman]
Victor Smith Offline
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Registered: 06/01/00
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Loc: Derry, NH
Oldman,

Teaching for 30 years I have recoginzed 16 of my students in that time with Black Belt promotions.

I don't give black belts the students earn the right to begin training at a black belt level of study.

That's all te black belt means, they are ready for a different course of study, grounded in their previous studies. Of course if they haven't completed them successfull they really aren't ready for new material.

In turn further study requires progress in their art.

My standards are simple, at the core they're the same ones my instructors required of me.

The black belt test rests on whether they continue training as time passes, forever. TThe new black belt is not focusing on teaching then or anytime in the near future. Becoming an instructor is an entirely different process where they're drawn from accomplished black belt practitioners.

As for our standards I only discuss those in our group who have reached dan study. I had no vote on how I was trained, and in turn the students have no vote on it either.
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#370545 - 11/27/07 10:18 PM Re: Who earns black belts? [Re: Victor Smith]
Saisho Offline
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Registered: 06/26/06
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I have awarded 5 people the rank of Shodan. Four of the 5 came to me as Ik-Kyu or Ni-Kyu from another instructor of the same system.

I have 3 students that have achieved Nidan, but I chose to have an 8th-Dan in our system test them even though I was a Yondan at the time we decided they would test and a Godan when they actually did. I just felt an outside perspective would be good.
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#370546 - 11/27/07 11:05 PM Re: Who earns black belts? [Re: fileboy2002]
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At the time I was diagnosed with cancer I was a nidan. It would have been strange to have my instructor come to me and ask for the rank back.
It would also not make sense for me to test to yondan with the condition I was in. Punch....barf...kick....barf....
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#370547 - 11/28/07 01:27 AM Re: Who earns black belts? [Re: Dereck]
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I NEVER ARGUED FOR STRIPPING ANYONE OF A BLACK BELT!

Let me repeat that, since you READ but apparently don't COMPREHEND:

I NEVER ARGUED FOR STRIPPING ANYONE OF A BLACK BELT!

Now let me repeat it in Spanish (the only other language I know):

NUNCA DIJE QUE SE DEBE SACAR EL CINTURON NEGRO A NADIE!

Now I excuse my while I while I explain all this to a bottle of Scotch

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#370548 - 11/28/07 01:40 AM Re: Who earns black belts? [Re: fileboy2002]
BrianS Offline
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fileboy,

Do you think someone should be stripped of their blackbelt for medical reasons?
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#370549 - 11/29/07 03:25 AM Re: Who earns black belts? [Re: BrianS]
fileboy2002 Offline
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No.

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#370550 - 12/05/07 08:14 AM Re: Who earns black belts? [Re: tkd_high_green]
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Loc: Poland
http://www.matfraser.co.uk/martial_art.php

Check out this guy. He's a British actor with phocomelia of both arms. He did a wonderful TV program where he examined 'freaks' in entertainment, in particular one called Seal Boy, and made the point that most of what the old freakshows involved was proving how well 'Seal-boy' could do ordinary household tasks.

Matt Fraser showed how brilliantly he can play drums and do martial arts. One point he made was, am I good because I have no arms or am I good cos I'm better than you?

In answer to Matt's question, I think te reward of BB should come from what anyone, disbaled or not, overcomes to reach that goal. If you can't do the form, so what, as long as you find a way to express/defend yourself within the range of techniques available to you in your training.

That said, the BB shouldn't be the reward. The reward(s) should be what you've been able to achieve on the road to the BB.
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