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#370390 - 11/19/07 06:00 PM Re: Boy dies from one hit [Re: Ed_Morris]
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#370391 - 11/20/07 10:49 AM Re: Boy dies from one hit [Re: cxt]
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There are major blood vessels and arteries + Nervepoints in the neck and throat. Not to mention about the adams apple.
killing is possible mearly with one finger.

Also I have had my lungs shut down with a single touch in practice. happily I'm still alive
Well ..that's life.

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#370392 - 11/20/07 12:38 PM Re: Boy dies from one hit [Re: cxt]
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On the other hand they have a greater risk of having some kind of heart damage already--weakened hearts, prior injure, clogged arteries, etc.




No, the cartlidge and bones simply aren't developed in childern and young adults that protect the heart. It has nothing to do with "medical conditions".

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#370393 - 11/20/07 01:38 PM Re: Boy dies from one hit [Re: wristtwister]
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Understood.....I was playing "Devils Advocate and guessing why somebody might say that adults might be more vulnerable to certain things.

Guy with a heart condition might drop dead from something that wouldn't even make a healthy person blink.
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#370394 - 11/20/07 02:09 PM Re: Boy dies from one hit [Re: cxt]
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I have read that a person over 40 should be cautious about being choked, because chokes being applied "and released" too quickly can cause arterial plaque to dislodge and cause a stroke.

At a PP seminar I attended once they started with different warnings and disclaimers...one being don't do neck strikes on people over 40. Didn't keep them from whackin' me in the neck.

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#370395 - 11/20/07 02:54 PM Re: Boy dies from one hit [Re: oldman]
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I've heard the same warning. Shouldn't even hit people over 40 - greater restriction than no neck points. In my school, half of the best practitioners of Kyusho are over 40. It would be a very sedate class if we didn't practice on each other. It is up to each person to set their own limits.
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#370396 - 11/20/07 06:59 PM Re: Boy dies from one hit [Re: underdog]
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While realism is great in training, you have to be nuts to let people whack you on killing points in your neck and on your head. That's what the "training Bobs" are for... (the half man training dummies).

Anybody that wants to criticize that is welcome to... it's just easier to say "hitting here will do this" rather than "see, hitting here (on a live person) will cause a stroke... gee, I hope he'll be all right"...

Don't be mistaken into thinking that I won't knock the crap out of somebody during training, but there are certain places where safety is more than called for, it's demanded. If you are studying kyusho and knocking people out, you're killing brain cells every time you do it... so I'm sure it will get easier and easier to talk them into letting you knock them out... but just doing some of those things "because you can" isn't training... it's "showmanship", and I have no time for that kind of crap in training. You can learn to be accurate to hitting points on "training Bob" just as easily as "dumb old Fred", the new white belt...

Over the years, I've fought full contact, done Judo and jujutsu and been slammed on the mats, and been hit with weapons during training... but common sense tells you when and when not to allow something to go on that is dangerous. We've trained with "live blades" in Aikido, because of the techniques we were using, but it's one of those things where the safety of the technique determines its use, and the viability of actually using "real" knives.

Hitting points in the neck and on the head will kill you. There are plenty of them, and they are well documented... and I have about as good of control of my punches and strikes as anyone I've trained with, so that's not a question... but I don't strike those points because of the inherit danger of it. Could I... no problem... the difference is that training should be safe for both the uke and the tori... and regardless of the resucitation methods you use, there is damage done when doing kyusho... especially in those "vunerable areas".

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#370397 - 11/20/07 07:24 PM Re: Boy dies from one hit [Re: wristtwister]
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Yes, I'm sure no one wants to go to training one nite and come home in a body bag.... least of all dumb ol Fred. I don't think Fred's wife and kids would appreciate it very much. I know his boss certainly wouldn't. After all, who's going to do Fred's job, now that he's dead?

Training injuries are a b!tch, accidents can happen, but death is permanent.

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#370398 - 11/20/07 08:10 PM Re: Boy dies from one hit [Re: Pressurepoint]
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There are major blood vessels and arteries + Nervepoints in the neck and throat. Not to mention about the adams apple.
killing is possible mearly with one finger.

Also I have had my lungs shut down with a single touch in practice. happily I'm still alive
Well ..that's life.




It's possible to stop someone's heart with the fingers too,especially if they are on a keyboard.

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#370399 - 11/22/07 10:18 AM Re: Boy dies from one hit [Re: BrianS]
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You can also stop their heart by simply pulling the trigger...



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