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#370155 - 11/14/07 09:23 PM Brian's Judo log
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Great idea Matt.

I started judo several weeks ago. So far I've been shown de ashi hari, osoto gari, ouichi gari, seoi nage, and tai otoshi. I am able to do only a couple in real time against the other students.

The grappling techniques I have been shown are yoko shiho gatame, kata gatame, kami shiho gatame, and kesa gatame. I have relatively good success holding people and transitioning with these pins because of my grappling experience.

My main problem is using too much force and not being relaxed enough. I want to try and over power people too much.

I remember this advice from prizewriter.

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One word of advice: RELAX!!!!






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#370156 - 11/15/07 08:19 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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My main problem is using too much force and not being relaxed enough. I want to try and over power people too much.




Hey Brian, I have a similar problem to you on the ground. When I am holding down my opponent, I tend to use all my force to try and keep them in that position. More experienced guys are much better at using their opponent's escape attempts to transition into a stronger hold down or submission. You are right, it's all about relaxing, because I am too focused on muscling my techniques from thin air, than using my opponent's momentum.

Good luck, I know I'll be reading the log!

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#370157 - 11/17/07 11:05 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Supremor]
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I, too, am new at Judo. I started earlier this year.

I have absolutely no natural talent for it, and I learn so much slower in this class than almost any other MA I've taken. Even worse, I've only been able to make class once a week.

But soon, I'll be taking it twice a week, and improving twice as fast! ... Or rather, half as slow. =P

I'm on the small side, so trying to muscle my way through things doesn't work at all. I've learned this... And yet, in Judo, all of the grip fighting and stuff seems to coerce me to try to use brute force. I get tossed a lot.

Anyway, I'll be reading your log to!
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#370158 - 11/17/07 11:52 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: TheSandaPanda]
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Today I did much better at randori,but I was lacking in the groundwork. I managed to get myself submitted once by armbar.
During randori I was told to "take the fall" instead of trying to brace myself with my arm.
I have a natural will not to be thrown or to take a fall at all,lol, imagine that!

There is a lot of conditioning in our class. I find myself really worn out by the time we get to the actual contact. I'm sure there is a reason. We do the same things to the students in karate. Wear them plum out before they spar, less likely to be injured, and better techniques in the end.
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#370159 - 11/18/07 08:05 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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I think it could be to do with the grading/competition side of Judo.

Generally when grading or competiting, you can have quite a few matches within a very short period of time. My local Judo association usually makes a Judoka perform in 5/6 matches for Shodan, match time is set at five minutes a match. That is potentially 25-30 minutes of Judo... pretty tiring to say the least! By making you perform when you are tired, you get use to the energy levels a Judo grading/comp takes.

Another reason may be the whole relaxation thing... it is easier said than done. Believe me, I know!

When you are tired, you don't have the strength/energy to use force. So you have to conserve your energy, you have to use relaxed movements in order to get anywhere. If it does not sound like too much of a paradox, it is like a "forced relaxation". You have to perform Judo in a relaxed way because you don't have the steam to do anything else!!
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#370160 - 11/27/07 08:13 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Prizewriter]
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#370161 - 11/27/07 09:54 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: oldman]
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Had a little while off due to the instructor being out of town. He is a Wal-Mart main vein.

Meanwhile, I have not broken anymore furniture.
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#370162 - 11/29/07 12:00 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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#370163 - 11/29/07 12:22 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Taison]
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Come on over! I need someone to practice on.
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#370164 - 12/12/07 11:16 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Haven't been to class in a while due to other obligations. My job is wanting me to do the work of three people. I'm missing out on my kids too.
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#370165 - 12/13/07 07:37 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Sorry to hear that, Brian. I might end up missing BJJ this week too, if it sleets or snows tonight.
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#370166 - 01/03/08 07:25 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: MattJ]
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[from the 'how long was it before your first competition' thread]
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There is a tournament coming up in January here. Although I have only been to five classes I'm going to see if he wants me to compete.




So, did you ever ask him?


Sorry to hear you're bogged down at work

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#370167 - 01/03/08 11:24 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: aikiuke]
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Not going to get to go to that tournament. Maybe next time.
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#370168 - 03/12/08 09:43 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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After a long hiatus I finally got back to it tonight. It was a cardio filled class with lots of randori and ne waza. My left elbow is giving me fits too. I can't hardly pull without writhing in pain.
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#370169 - 03/12/08 10:35 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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After a long hiatus I finally got back to it tonight. It was a cardio filled class with lots of randori and ne waza. My left elbow is giving me fits too. I can't hardly pull without writhing in pain.




I've started having some pretty serious pain in my left elbow also, and it came down to my poor deashi harai technique. Somehow, having my hips way too far away from uke was putting odd stresses on my elbow when I started "turning the wheel"

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#370170 - 03/13/08 10:04 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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My elbow was pretty sore after my last BJJ class, too. The next day, it was fine. But now my wrist hurts, LOL.
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#370171 - 04/08/08 06:40 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: MattJ]
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My elbow is better it seems. I didn't have much problem with it last week.

I keep getting paired up with Bill, he's basically a gorilla,lol. Very hard to do throws on,but the sweeps I can handle. He uses his strength over technique which wins out right now,but as my technique improves things will change.

I think he's the only other one going with me to the tournament.
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#370172 - 04/09/08 09:36 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Had a good class tonight. The instructor tries to wear us out in the first 45 minutes,then he says,"ok,let's begin judo!" lol..If he knew what my goju classes are like he would shite himself. There's always a couple of people that have to stop and get drinks though,so he does give us a pretty good workout.

We practiced holddowns and transitioning holddowns tonight. He told me I had good technique and said I am a "go" for the tournament. Yay.

It's not easy holding down my 260lb gorilla training partner,lol. Then the smaller 15yr old kid was like a ferret, I swear he ran around inside my gi a time or two!! I dod get a good rolling armbar that we learned last week.

I injured my shoulder trying to do osoto gari and had my arm too high when I did kuzushi,sh1t!

Overall a good night of training. 5 weeks til the tournament.
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#370173 - 04/10/08 10:00 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Sounds good, Brian. I have my first BJJ tourney on May 3.

Good luck with the training!
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#370174 - 04/14/08 06:31 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: MattJ]
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Had a great class,but I'm pretty wore out from it. I came away with alot of bruises,busted lip, and a black eye from randori and newaza. I had no idea they were there until it was over. I guess it just comes from scrambling,lol.

We worked a lot on newaza and randori after the warm ups. Good learning experience.
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#370175 - 04/16/08 09:32 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Had a good class tonight, I was the only one who showed up!

I feel like my techniques were more refined tonight than in the last three classes.

I worked on countering sweeps and throws,combinaation throws,and also on defending from the choke.

I also got some good tips for the upcoming tournament. Good stuff!
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#370176 - 04/18/08 12:25 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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What choke were you defending? Was it a Kataha Jime?

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#370177 - 04/21/08 12:22 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: bo-ken]
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Um, I 'm not sure,lol.

Got to work with a gentleman by the name of Steve Scott saturday. He is an awesome judoka! He gave me some good tips and awesome new techniques!

My thanks to him and to oldman for m aking the arrangements.
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#370178 - 04/24/08 08:55 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Sounds like a great workout, man!

I may see about getting into that here soon as my insurance stuff settles out and I have a car again.

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#370179 - 04/24/08 01:33 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: LeeF]
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This is a discription of the workout from another thread...

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Our session with Steve was based on his seminar class called "Armlock Academy" We started with entering into juji gatame, the crossbody armlock from a throw. We also entered it from the guard. Things he pointed out were getting in close and keeping weighton the person as you step over in the lock. On other thing he stresses in not to fall back 90 degrees onto your back but to fall slightly off 90 toward the head. He explained by saying when aperson bench press they want their arrms parralle because it is a stronger position. If the hands are not in line with each it make the opponat weaker and easier to get the lock. Steve also taught how two ways to defend and escape the lock. He also taught how to counter the defenses. He then showed Brian and I how to string the attacks and defenses into drills. Steve is all about reps.

He also showed a great way to roll a person who is in your guard if they start to crush or stack you wen you are trying for the juji from the guard. He showed a gi and no gi version and both worked well.

We were almost finished and I asked Steve to share his version of a "Baseball Bat Choke" with Brian and I. It falls into the catagory of a trap choke. The neat thing about it is the set up. If you set it up right the person in your guard see an opportunity to pass and goes for it. You then shrimp your leg through and roll over onto you hip setting the choke. It is actually a strangle rather than a choke as it attacks the throat rather than the blood flow.

Steve says "Once you make a guy gag you own him. He will never forget you. The next time you go against him he'll remember it. Judo is up close and personal it isn't Football. You need every advantage you can get.

Steve also shared some ideas with Brian about preparing for his first judo competition. I'm sure it will help him out.


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#370180 - 04/24/08 08:15 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: oldman]
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Man that was great too!

Mark,

Are you still taking judo?

Last night was n interesting class. We did some conditioning drills. Then we did alot of reps with a throw and finish or hold down combo.

The free randori at the end of class went well. I got some good sweeps in on the big guy. I think the Ne waza beforehand must have wore him down,lol.
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#370181 - 04/24/08 11:24 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Brian,
No I'm not currently training with Steve. My classes fall on the same night that he teaches so I have a conflict in schedules.

I do work with my guys on ground stuff intermittently enough to keep my license as a Certified Crappler.

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#370182 - 04/28/08 01:22 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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It was just me, gorilla Bill, and the sensei saturday ,so we got to work on techniques more with less distractions.
I have a terrible time getting out of his hold downs.Sheesh!! I'll be glad to finally compete with someone nearer my weight class.
I'm hoping my brother will join us next week!

It's getting closer to the tournament! I have a few techniques I can do ok consistently. We'll see how it goes.
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#370183 - 05/01/08 07:59 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Looks like my brother is wussing out on me again. Oh well, MA is not for everyone I guess.

Lastnight we worked on hold downs: kesa gatame,kata gatame,kami shiho katame,and yoko shiho gatame along with variations of these and escapes. These are difficult to break and easy to transition into a choke or lock when you have control.
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#370184 - 05/02/08 05:48 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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What date is the tournament?
Do you think you're ready for it?
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#370185 - 05/02/08 08:57 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Ives]
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Yep, I'm ready!

Any advice?
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#370186 - 05/05/08 06:57 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Good class saturday. Had two new guys show up. One guy from kempo/gung fu that has been doing that a year. He kept repeating, "well, at my karate school we do such and such...." LOL!

I was happy that my son decided to join me as well! He did really good with his rolls and ashi waza! Look out!

I've been focusing on my conditioning for the tournaments. I'm sure the 3 minute rounds will be exausting. I've also narrowed down a few techniques to refine rather than focusing on all that I have been shown so far. We'll see how it goes.
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#370187 - 05/06/08 07:56 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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I've been focusing on my conditioning for the tournaments. I'm sure the 3 minute rounds will be exausting. I've also narrowed down a few techniques to refine rather than focusing on all that I have been shown so far. We'll see how it goes.




3 minutes? We do 5 in the UK- , man we're so awesome

The first tournament is always the worst as far as conditioning goes. It must be the nerves or the strangeness of the situation or something, but the first few judo matches I had completely killed me, and I was used to playing a 10 minute quater in high school basketball.

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#370188 - 05/06/08 02:04 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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I find easier to defend and counter standing up when I'm tired unless the guy pretty good that work out well.

I also find it easier to attack from the mount position riding them then defending on the bottom. Of course being prepared for both is best, being able to read your opponent intention will help as they spin for a throw hip butts and sets up sweeps; siccisoring there legs stops throw and setup outer/inside reaps.

Remember dbls legs are legal in Judo, wathout for chokes when you takedown!!
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#370189 - 05/06/08 08:45 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Supremor]
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Supremor,

It all depends on the particular shiai and the level you are playing at.

My sensei told us it would be 5minute rounds and was surprised to find out it is only 3.
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#370190 - 05/06/08 08:48 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Neko456]
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I find easier to defend and counter standing up when I'm tired unless the guy pretty good that work out well.





Yep, it's kind of hard to go on the offensive when you are give out.

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I also find it easier to attack from the mount position riding them then defending on the bottom. Of course being prepared for both is best, being able to read your opponent intention will help as they spin for a throw hip butts and sets up sweeps; siccisoring there legs stops throw and setup outer/inside reaps.





I'd rather be on top.

Quote:

Remember dbls legs are legal in Judo, wathout for chokes when you takedown!!




I know,but although I can do them it is not something we have been taught for some reason...??

My sensei doesn't want me to do anything at the tournament that he has not taught me.
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#370191 - 05/08/08 12:49 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Had a good class tonight.

In the last few minutes we had shiai style randori.

I was up against gorilla Bill. He threw me twice, but he couldn't pin or submit me, mostly because I'm just squirrly,lol.
I did manage to get him down using ashi waza and got an armbar on him twice.
The last round he tried to throw me ,but got me in a weird kneebar position against the mat and hyperextended my knee. Dammit!!
It's all swolen and hurts now.

hopefully it will be better in a couple of days.
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#370192 - 05/08/08 10:17 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Man you guys are battling thats good training if you survive training you should do well in tournament.


Thats good Judo gentle art my foot or your knee.
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#370193 - 05/08/08 11:21 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Neko456]
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If I survive,lol!!

Maybe if wasn't doing randori with a guy that weighs 260 I wouldn't have been hurt,lol.

He's a beginner like me,but he always tries to muscle everything. It was non-intentional and that's just the risks we take. I hold no grudges about it.

My knee is slightly swollen and pruple today. I think it will heal soon.

I'm going to take it easy saturday.
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#370194 - 05/09/08 02:30 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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The good thing about working your techniques against him and bully around with him. Once you start grappling with guys your own weigh it will seem easier to over power them with technique because you have had to fight stronger resistance with 260lb Mr. Bull.

The guys your own weigh will feel like they are not resisting much, unless they have much more skill so you should do well once you heal.
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#370195 - 05/09/08 10:29 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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If I survive,lol!!

Maybe if wasn't doing randori with a guy that weighs 260 I wouldn't have been hurt,lol.



So I take it then your not the same body weight? Is weight training not helping?

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#370196 - 05/09/08 11:14 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: jude33]
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Be careful, Brian! We are just starting to integrate wristlocks and leglocks in my BJJ sparring. Luckily everyone goes pretty light and gives time for everyone else to tap out.
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#370197 - 05/09/08 05:44 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: jude33]
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If I survive,lol!!

Maybe if wasn't doing randori with a guy that weighs 260 I wouldn't have been hurt,lol.



So I take it then your not the same body weight? Is weight training not helping?




What? I wiegh 195-198. Yes, weight training helps. Please do not attempt to hijack this thread with your usual randomness.
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#370198 - 05/09/08 05:46 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: MattJ]
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Be careful, Brian! We are just starting to integrate wristlocks and leglocks in my BJJ sparring. Luckily everyone goes pretty light and gives time for everyone else to tap out.




No wristlocks or leglocks in our judo that I', aware of,but accidents still happen.
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#370199 - 05/11/08 04:45 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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What? I wiegh 195-198. Yes, weight training helps. Please do not attempt to hijack this thread with your usual randomness.




Ok

Give my regards to your training partner. Sounds like a good guy. Muscles his way sounds like he trains hard.

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#370200 - 05/11/08 10:11 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: jude33]
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I took it easy saturday. Worked on my sweeps and throws,mainly just refining technique. Then worked on newaza.
I think the tournament will go well, one more class to go.
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#370201 - 05/11/08 10:28 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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#370202 - 05/11/08 11:35 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Brian, was surfing around and found your blog. Glad to hear that your knee isn't too bad, I really felt like an ass after that happened! I'm really sorry, but if it's any consolation my knee has been hurting like hell too. Got to learn to relax and quit trying to muscle everything! BTW, it's a good thing I outweigh you by 60 lbs or you would continually kick the crap out of me. Looking forward to kicking ass and taking names Saturday, I owe you a couple of cold ones after the tournament! See you Wednesday.
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#370203 - 05/11/08 11:43 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: seabeebillm]
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LOL!

I hope you didn't mind me referring to you as gorilla bill!!

A couple of cold ones sounds great.

I think we will both do well at the tournament.

BTW,

Don't feel bad about my knee. Ma has risks, if we don't accept these risks we shouldn't do ma(martial arts). As I have said, "gentle art my ass!"
Hope you check back now and again. See you wednesday!
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#370204 - 05/12/08 05:07 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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*Throws Brian using Seoi-otoshi*
No beers! MA has no tolerance for alcoholic beverages!

*Opens a can of Budweizer*

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#370205 - 05/13/08 10:29 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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HAHA, gorilla bill, thats good stuff! Dude, I've been called much worse! Michael and I checked out an MMA school (they teach judo and jujitsu also) in Rogers monday night, had a pretty good workout. We should check it out some time, they seemed like good guys. See you wednesday!
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#370206 - 05/13/08 10:34 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: seabeebillm]
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What? Where's that at? !!!

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#370207 - 05/13/08 10:48 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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It's at the fitness zone in the Frisco station mall, I think it's called TCB Fight Factory. I've got the guy's card, I'll bring it with me tommorrow. They have a full boxing gym and a grappling room. I think the guy that teaches grappling mostly focuses on jujitsu and submission grappling, but they do some judo too. I think we're going to go back again on monday, but if you want to go check it out some other time let me know and I'll be glad to go with you. I will probably try to go once a week or so to help my judo, like I said they seemed like some really good guys. Later bro.
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#370208 - 05/13/08 11:48 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: seabeebillm]
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Wow, that's close to me. I thought Frisco Station just had the Olympic Take ur dough place.

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#370209 - 05/15/08 12:29 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Well, tonight didn't go as well as I hoped it would. I have a really hard time throwing Bill. My techniques need alot of work.
I did feel comfortable with tai otoshi then transitioning to juji katame. That seemed to flow well for me.
I had a hard time relaxing tonight. I felt tense the entire class. Especially when i get corrected, try to make my body make the change,but my body won't cooperate,lol.

My son was there tonight,but he was distracted. After about 30 minutes he was pretty much done.
I think more newaza and more attention would keep him interested longer. They really need a seperate kids class.

It's always a fun time though.

Tournament this saturday. Wish Bill and myself luck!
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#370210 - 05/15/08 04:15 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Gorilla Bill, Brian good luck at the tournament.

Just have a good time, enjoy the training with different folks.
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#370211 - 05/15/08 07:45 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Ives]
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#370212 - 05/15/08 02:06 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: MattJ]
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#370213 - 05/15/08 02:55 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: bo-ken]
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Welcome, and good luck in the tournament, remember to have a good time as well.
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#370214 - 05/16/08 10:28 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: JoshuaMonjin]
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#370215 - 05/16/08 03:53 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Prizewriter]
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Best of luck! Remember to relax.




Thanks everyone!

Prize,

I can remember it easy enough, I just have a hard time applying it,lol.
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#370216 - 05/17/08 11:41 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Good luck Brian and Bill.

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#370217 - 05/18/08 10:46 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Taison]
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Bill did awesome! In the masters division he had some excellent ippon's on his opponent and took first place in that division! He also dominated in the novice division and took first place!
Way to go Gorilla!!

I'm sitting here with my leg in an imobilization brace. (my left knee this time) In my first match in the novice division my left knee went the wrong way inward. I felt and heard the pops,so did my opponent. I forgot where I was during the pain,lol. Everyone did applaud when I got up. That was nice,but boy was I upset.
It may be ligaments or a torn minuscus(sp?). I'm having an mri next week. My knees have been repeatedly injured, so I'm not really surprised.
I took second place in the masters division behind a sandan. I won't tell you my secret behind that.
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#370218 - 05/19/08 03:15 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Well congrats!! But sorry about the knee as well, hope it ends up ok.

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#370219 - 05/19/08 09:17 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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Nice job in the tourney, Brian. Sorry to hear about the knee, and I hope it gets better soon. I have looked into doing judo, but everyone I know (my age, that is) that is doing it now gets hurt like that.

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#370220 - 05/19/08 10:07 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Good Job Brian. Shame about your knee, sorry to hear that. The "Gentle Way" claims another victim.

When you heal up, would you think of competing again?
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#370221 - 05/19/08 12:10 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Prizewriter]
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Good Job Brian. Shame about your knee, sorry to hear that. The "Gentle Way" claims another victim.

When you heal up, would you think of competing again?




I've been doing alot of thinking about that the last couple of days.
1. I have to work. I have two kids who solely depend on my support.
2. I hate being injured.
3. I do love judo and competing.
4. I have always had questionable knees. My first knee injuries were in high school. They have troubled me from time to time ever since.

I'm not sure what to do right now. I have atleast a couple of weeks to think about it.

Today my knee is still swolen pretty good. Hurts like hades to straighten or bend too much.

BTW, there were only two competitors in the my weight class in the masters division.
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#370222 - 05/19/08 12:36 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Heck you can only fight who they put in front of you, be it 2 or 200!

Competitions/Gradings are where I have seen people getting seriously injured in Judo. Never seen it happen at a Judo class.

You could maybe contiune with Judo, but forget about the competitions. They were always a bit overrated anyway lol!

Or if you really have a competitive edge, enter Kata Competitions. A lot less brutal I assure you!

I am going to put my neck on the block here by saying this, its something Matt touched on earlier: I think the injury rate in BJJ isn't as high as in Judo. Less throwing in BJJ generally, and throwing/falling are where the damage is done in Judo usually.

As you spend a lot more time on the ground in BJJ too, there is less chance of your knee getting hurt.

I could be wrong, am only basing this on watching BJJ people at my local fitness centre and my two classes I took! Feel free to put me right anyone!
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#370223 - 05/19/08 02:04 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Brian,
I am really sorry to hear about the knee. I have been there before, with an ACL tear and an Ostiochondrial fracture. Take care and listen to your Doctor. Being laid up sucks.
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#370224 - 05/19/08 04:30 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Brian, you did a great job, you just got screwed with the draw in the masters division. If I would have been in the 30-39 age group that brown belt heavyweight would have cleaned my clock. I'm pretty sure you could have won the novice division if you had not gotten hurt, you were as good or better than any of the guys in your weight class. When you went down I felt sick to my stomach, still not sure what happened, the guy came in for kosoto gake then you both kind of collapsed. I would hate to see you leave judo, but I certainly would understand, you've got to make sure your kids are taken care of before anything else. You are very strong on the groud and maybe jujitsu would be easier on the body or maybe we could spend more time doing newaza, not sure what the answer is. If there's anything you need give me a call, you've got my number. BTW I still owe you a couple of tall cold ones!
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#370225 - 05/19/08 04:48 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: seabeebillm]
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Thanks for those words Bill and congratulations again on your performance. Now you have to win all the tournaments you enter!! No pressure.

Seems that none of the refs there agreed on what constituted an ippon. That was pretty strange.


I felt like I was better than the other guys in my weight division too,but obviously not better enough to keep from getting injured,lol.

Hopefully things will turn out ok andd I'll be able to go on with judo. I'm not sure on the competetion though. I know the school is big on shiai,but I really don't care about points and belts.

Take care Bill.

Thanks to everyone here for the words.
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#370226 - 05/20/08 09:31 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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BrianS sorry to hear about your knee do you wear braces, if you don't its amazing how those little braces can help.

As you know Judo is a rough body carrying, high troque MA I think that after you heal concentrate on strengthen the knee with weights and Gluclomose. After it heals well train and compete, you don't want to re-injury it or it will never heal. If the injuries continues you may have to accept your role as trainer of future Champions. Your work with Bill better you both I'd bet if you hadn't gotten injuryed your result would be like his, being that you both whipped each others a$$ in the dojo.

Great stuff, heal and go get em!


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#370227 - 05/21/08 11:17 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Neko456]
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I don't wear braces,my teeth are pretty straight.

Thanks for the words Neko. I think I jumped into the tournament thing too soon.

My knee sadly isn't any better. It's still swolen,painful,and has minimum movement. I'm still waiting on the MRI appointment. Apparently it's very difficult to schedule
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#370228 - 05/22/08 08:32 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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#370229 - 05/22/08 06:46 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: oldman]
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Sorry to hear about your injury . Did you have a good time before that happened?
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#370230 - 05/22/08 06:54 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: JoshuaMonjin]
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I was having a good time,lol.

MRI is scheduled for wednesday.
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#370231 - 05/28/08 10:14 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Went for my mri today. I should hear something in a day or two.

Knee still hurts, it is a little better though. Limited range of movement and it feels like it needs to pop when I try and straighten it.
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#370232 - 05/30/08 09:22 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Acute ACL full thickness tear.

Anyone want to shed some light on this for me? I'm doing my research on the web.
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#370233 - 05/30/08 10:39 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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#370234 - 05/31/08 02:31 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: MattJ]
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Thanks Matt! I feel like this....
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#370235 - 05/31/08 01:10 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Anyone want to tell him about cadaver tissue?

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#370236 - 06/01/08 08:45 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: oldman]
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Anyone want to tell him about cadaver tissue?




Nice,lol. One of the guys who does judo at our school is an orthopedic surgeon.

"You have a dead knee!!"
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#370237 - 06/17/08 09:46 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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That is an interesting technique, can you talk more about how to apply these techniques?


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That is an interesting technique, can you talk more about how to apply these techniques?




What technique? Huh?
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#370239 - 06/17/08 11:12 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Quote:

That is an interesting technique, can you talk more about how to apply these techniques?




What technique? Huh?





This guy is just going around spamming threads with these generic questions usually unrelated to the topic...not sure what to make of it.

Aaron_Newsome33 lol.


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#370240 - 06/17/08 02:01 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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#370241 - 07/02/08 06:13 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Well, after sitting around on my duff unable to do martial arts for the last few weeks I'm one week away from surgery.

They are going to take 1/3 of my patellar tendon out and replace my acl with it. After about 12 weeks I should be able to resume normal activities.

I'm really thinking I won't be doing judo anymore though. I'll probably put more time into my karate instead.
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#370242 - 07/02/08 07:30 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Good luck on the surgery, bro. Understandable about the judo. A couple guys at my BJJ school cross-train judo. Most of those guys over 30 or so haven't stuck with it, because they get injured. As gnarled as I get from BJJ, judo looks worse!

Juso seems like a great thing for younger folks with nice, springy joints. That ain't me any more.
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#370243 - 07/02/08 08:10 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: MattJ]
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Thanks! Don't think of me as a quitter. I just don't think it's worth it to learn a sport. Next!!
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#370244 - 07/03/08 12:15 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Thanks! Don't think of me as a quitter. I just don't think it's worth it to learn a sport. Next!!




Sorry about having to quit man, it's funny I've actually been thinking about taking up Judo full time if my dojo goes under, and hearing about this makes me wonder if I really should.

How many days a week were you at it with Karate and Judo?

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#370245 - 07/03/08 12:28 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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I was doing judo twice a week and karate only 2-4 times a month.

My right knee popped during randori one night a couple of weeks before the tournament. It's still not right either.

I think if you want to take up judo then go for it, but to me the injury risk just doesn't appeal to my joints anymore.
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#370246 - 07/03/08 10:59 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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I was doing judo twice a week and karate only 2-4 times a month.

My right knee popped during randori one night a couple of weeks before the tournament. It's still not right either.

I think if you want to take up judo then go for it, but to me the injury risk just doesn't appeal to my joints anymore.




I hear weight training can help to strengthen the muscles and even indeed the ligaments found in the joints. Sort of a preventive measure for people who practice wrestling or judo. If training is done early and progressive enough I suppose people can still practice judo well in their 50'/ 60's years of age as in some of the masters competitions.

I suppose if they dont (Unlike the most judo ka) then injury can stop training. Anyhow good luck with your new training regime. I have just done my workout in judo. Worked on kataguruma. I believe its also in karate kata. MMA's sometimes use judo throws or even just throws found in karate kata I believe?

Jude

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#370247 - 07/03/08 11:55 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: jude33]
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Brian I don't know if this is right place to ask but are you joining a new Karate school? I know your old school is a far drive for you. Just let me know what your plans are. Heck maybe you should open a school.

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#370248 - 07/03/08 06:05 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: jude33]
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jude33,

You sound like a moron everytime you post and you have such a suttle way of being a [censored].


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I hear weight training can help to strengthen the muscles and even indeed the ligaments found in the joints. Sort of a preventive measure for people who practice wrestling or judo. If training is done early and progressive enough I suppose people can still practice judo well in their 50'/ 60's years of age as in some of the masters competitions.





What a stupid assupmtion to make that I was injured because my muscles aren't strong enough. You kill me.

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I suppose if they dont (Unlike the most judo ka) then injury can stop training. Anyhow good luck with your new training regime. I have just done my workout in judo. Worked on kataguruma. I believe its also in karate kata. MMA's sometimes use judo throws or even just throws found in karate kata I believe?





Dude, you don't train in anything. You just dabble in krotty you see posted on youtube. Karate doesn't have everything from every art. If you ever actually attended karate class for a length of time you would know this, arrogant and ignorant non-training wannabe.

p.s. You're fat.
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#370249 - 07/03/08 06:07 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: bo-ken]
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Brian I don't know if this is right place to ask but are you joining a new Karate school? I know your old school is a far drive for you. Just let me know what your plans are. Heck maybe you should open a school.




Nope. I haven't found a karate school around here I'm impressed with.

I have thought about looking into teaching up here. I have a little healing time to think things over and decide. Thanks for asking!
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#370250 - 07/03/08 07:29 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: jude33]
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I was doing judo twice a week and karate only 2-4 times a month.

My right knee popped during randori one night a couple of weeks before the tournament. It's still not right either.

I think if you want to take up judo then go for it, but to me the injury risk just doesn't appeal to my joints anymore.




I hear weight training can help to strengthen the muscles and even indeed the ligaments found in the joints. Sort of a preventive measure for people who practice wrestling or judo. If training is done early and progressive enough I suppose people can still practice judo well in their 50'/ 60's years of age as in some of the masters competitions.

I suppose if they dont (Unlike the most judo ka) then injury can stop training. Anyhow good luck with your new training regime. I have just done my workout in judo. Worked on kataguruma. I believe its also in karate kata. MMA's sometimes use judo throws or even just throws found in karate kata I believe?

Jude




Lol yeah, because people just get injured in Judo due to not having strong ligaments.

BTW, ligaments aren't "in joints", ligaments are also notoriously slow to heal once sprained, and in fact with severe sprains they typically never return fully back to their original condition, making re-injury likely not matter what kind of weight training you do.

I don't know where you come up with this stuiff, but man I wish you would just leave.


Brian:

On the subject of opening your own place though, that's the only reason I did it, no other Karate in town I was interested in once my first instructor retired.

It has it's ups and downs, so far my biggest problem is getting consistent attendance and such.


Edited by Zach_Zinn (07/03/08 07:43 PM)

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#370251 - 07/03/08 08:46 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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Zach,

My idea od opening up my own place would be small and informal. We would probably use a facility if we could,but I wouldn't mind using a public park either.
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#370252 - 07/03/08 09:03 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Yeah, that's exactly the setup I have, very informal, i'm not hugely skilled or high ranked, so i just treat it as a place where we get together to train, I just make the plans and try to bring whatever I can to the table.

I was at the YMCA for about a year before finding a cheap place to rent, it's been fine until recently, where attendance is dropping off.

I've been told that's natural this time of year, but it's still discouraging.

Thing is that once you get down to few enough students it makes you feel like you might as well just do it in your backyard and save the rent money..hmmm.

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#370253 - 07/03/08 09:29 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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few questions for you if you don't mind. How many students do you have? Do you have anyone helping you teach? Are you following a set curriculum?
I'm certainly not very talented or highly ranked either,but I do feel I have something to offer. People might get more of what they want down the road though,lol.
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#370254 - 07/04/08 04:48 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Thanks! Don't think of me as a quitter. I just don't think it's worth it to learn a sport. Next!!




Man I am in the exact same place at the moment with the BJJ!

I am moving from the city to back home, so no more BJJ for me. I would've left it anyway I think had I not been moving home anyway. It just wasn't worth it. There are safer ways for me to keep active.

Goes without saying it matters not one jot what anyone else thinks of you. The world is illusion, as Miyamoto Musashi once said.

Besides all of which, you'd have to be some kind of idiot to suggest someone who studied karate for 17+ years is a "quitter"
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#370255 - 07/08/08 07:34 PM New title [Re: BrianS]
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Well, I'm going to need a new title since there's no more judo in my future.

Apparently the only one I was a danger to was myself!
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#370256 - 07/08/08 10:24 PM Re: New title [Re: BrianS]
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So Brian,

Approxiamately how long have you been doing judo and what did you learn from your journey?

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#370257 - 07/08/08 10:32 PM Re: New title [Re: Taison]
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I started judo in september maybe october last year.

I learned that judo is a great sport and with time it has many techniques that can be used in self defense. I also learned it has many techniques that can lead to bad habits in regards to self defense such as relying on the gi and keeping your hands down. Too much grabbing going on when other options are clearly availiable,but clearly this defies judo's purpose.

I also learned that although I am eager to do things like this, my body takes exception.
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#370258 - 07/08/08 10:51 PM Re: New title [Re: BrianS]
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Brian,

You hit the nail;

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Too much grabbing going on when other options are clearly availiable


That's where my striking capabilities usually kick in. There have been WAY too many times where I was like "If he held my lapel like that in a SD situation, I'd just ko him with a elbow shot to the chin".

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can lead to bad habits in regards to self defense such as relying on the gi and keeping your hands down


Yes. I hate that many judo-ka when they enter the MMA scene tend to keep their hands down and get hit unneccessarily too many times when going for their throws.

But then again, nothing quite beat the thought that you're able to actually elevate someone up and then slam them head first into the concrete. That, my friend, feels like power, even though it's an illusion.

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#370259 - 07/08/08 11:17 PM ringtones mp3 motorola l6 [Re: Taison]
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still a great tool.

your words, not mine


Edited by Cord (07/09/08 02:38 AM)

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#370260 - 07/08/08 11:24 PM Re: New title [Re: Taison]
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Pardon the interruption by the douch3!!

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That's where my striking capabilities usually kick in. There have been WAY too many times where I was like "If he held my lapel like that in a SD situation, I'd just ko him with a elbow shot to the chin".






or various other techniques!!

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But then again, nothing quite beat the thought that you're able to actually elevate someone up and then slam them head first into the concrete. That, my friend, feels like power, even though it's an illusion.





Hey, I never needed judo to elevate and slam people before.
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#370261 - 07/09/08 04:41 AM Re: New title [Re: BrianS]
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Also if you notice many judo-ka who enters the striking world have the tendency to stare at the opponent's hand. Seriously, up close the actually tilt their head down and stare at my hand thinking I'll grab them or something and then suddenly smack! Headbutt!

Also one bad thing with gi dependant throwing is that they try to force their way with throws. What I learnt from no-gi throwing is that if something doesn't work, go for something else.

What I got from judo; a clinch that is WAY better than the MT clinch. Judo for upper body, wrestling for lower body. The awesomeness.

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#370262 - 07/09/08 11:42 PM Re: New title [Re: Taison]
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Like my new title?

Thanks Ed!
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#370263 - 07/10/08 12:32 AM Re: New title [Re: BrianS]
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HA! Zing!

How do you get a title anyway?


Edited by Zach_Zinn (07/10/08 12:33 AM)

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#370264 - 07/10/08 12:54 AM Re: New title [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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HA! Zing!

How do you get a title anyway?




i wish i had a title.

But hey Brian, good luck with your acl.
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#370265 - 07/10/08 08:02 AM Re: New title [Re: TKD_X]
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How do you get a new title...

I assign you one, if I deem you worthy of one.

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#370266 - 07/10/08 02:01 PM Re: New title [Re: BrianS]
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Well, I'm going to need a new title since there's no more judo in my future.

Apparently the only one I was a danger to was myself!




Hi Brian hows life?

Well you could call it Judes judo log seen as I still train.
Must admit though training takedowns is hard on the knees.


Anyway at least now you will have more time to post even more of your thoughts on the forum.

And I hear not training can increase a persons body weight so something like tai chi might be worth your while considering. The health part not the combat part.

Jude

still training,working and studying.


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#370267 - 07/10/08 02:33 PM Re: New title [Re: jude33]
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Well you could call it Judes judo log seen as I still train.




Very nice of you to not rub it in.

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Anyway at least now you will have more time to post even more of your thoughts on the forum.




Pot calling kettle.

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And I hear not training can increase a persons body weight so something like tai chi might be worth your while considering. The health part not the combat part.




"And I hear......"

*presses ban button*
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#370268 - 07/10/08 03:56 PM Re: New title [Re: jude33]
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Hi Brian hows life?

Well you could call it Judes judo log seen as I still train.
Must admit though training takedowns is hard on the knees.






If your previous history is any indication, something called "Jude's judo log" would be full of nothing but weird nonsensical argument, pointless historical speculation, and lots of random BS having nothing to do with Judo.


1) You don't train in anything but Youtube-Do and Forum Ryu dude.

2) You are a troll disguised as something akin to an actual poster (and thinly disguised at that).

3) Go away.


Edited by Zach_Zinn (07/10/08 04:00 PM)

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#370269 - 07/10/08 04:37 PM Re: New title [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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1) You don't train in anything but Youtube-Do and Forum Ryu dude.




Of course, why spend a few bucks on a dojo, when I can youtube it and watch other people do it for me for only $100 a month! Me are clever mucho grande!

-Judeson out


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#370270 - 07/10/08 06:01 PM Re: New title [Re: jude33]
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1) You don't train in anything but Youtube-Do and Forum Ryu dude.




Still typing, posting and it would seem not much physical training zach?








Jude




So you can see me through da global innernets and know I'm not training enough hojo undo or what?

I guess i'll never weigh 109kg like you. Poor me lol.

You really are a prize, I can't figure out why no one has banned you yet.

Seriously though, go away man.


Brian: here's a suggestion for the continuation of the thread, maybe you could talk a bit about how you think your Judo training has informed your Karate, and vice versa.

Did you take anything "permanent" away from your Judo training that has changed the way you practice Karate?



Edited by Zach_Zinn (07/10/08 06:14 PM)

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#370271 - 07/11/08 03:35 AM Re: New title [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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So you can see me through da global innernets and know I'm not training enough hojo undo or what?




Enough? I assumed by your postings you did very little?
Ah well I might be wrong and it would be nice if you posted in detail the amount and the specifics of the hojo undo you do train. Just to get a better picture.



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You really are a prize, I can't figure out why no one has banned you yet.




Because perhaps Zach I tend not to lose control and use remarks that bring in the moderators . Plus I doubt if I have broken any forum rule. I think the moderators can do their jobs correctly without reference from none moderators
about banning people because you/ they dont care for their responses. As far as I know the guy who set up this site did it for educational purposes.Plus I like this site. In places and from certain people it is educational.
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Brian: here's a suggestion for the continuation of the thread, maybe you could talk a bit about how you think your Judo training has informed your Karate, and vice versa.

Did you take anything "permanent" away from your Judo training that has changed the way you practice Karate?





I cant speak for brian but I am not to sure if Brian studied judo long enough to reach that point before the poor guys knee gave out.



Either way.

I think simular lines of study have already been done with old style judo and people with the knowledge and who held higher karate/judo/ jujitsu dan grades.


Kanazawa sensei( I believe he studied shotokan, judo, incorperated kata found in trad goju ryu, and tai chi) used judo in his sparring.

The guy who created chinese goju combined his knowledge of ju jitsu with goju, and used it effectlively. This was way before MMA. 1970's I believe. G/F was included if it came from karate or ju jitsu is pure speculation. I think some came from karate.

Observing these people zach might give a better idea of the intergration of both arts. I dont think brian made any videos so it would be written and they see a picture is worth a thousand words?

If he did make a video I would like to see it, as I would yours one day. For that use I believe the use of videos is good, but until that day I won't move my butt from the keyboard. I am now collecting an internal chi type called fat, which is effective protection against striking.

I'm also full of rubbish and people you can just ignore me.

-Jude out


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#370272 - 07/11/08 07:38 AM Re: New title [Re: jude33]
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I may regret doing this but what do you mean by "old style Judo"????
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#370273 - 07/11/08 03:35 PM Re: New title [Re: Prizewriter]
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Has Jude33 Gone?
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#370274 - 07/11/08 04:04 PM Re: New title [Re: Prizewriter]
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#370275 - 07/12/08 12:30 AM Re: New title [Re: MattJ]
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I haven't banned him if that's what you're asking.

Most of the mod think I'd go berserk with the ban button if I did have the ability to press it.

I'm going to post in the admin forum and discuss what we're going to do with him.

Or else I'm just going to hijack every post he does in my forums.

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#370276 - 07/14/08 04:49 PM Re: New title [Re: Taison]
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Please do Taison. It's pretty weak to personally attack a guy when he is out to surgery. It was four days ago and I come back to this douchebag talking trash about me and I get this via pm from him.
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Brian you might have been involved in martial arts, but I suspect hard training wasnt your best point.

Your quitting judo at 35 because of an injury. There are guys in their 50's still competing with a list of injuries behind them.

says alot doesnt it.





This says alot about jude's character or lack there of. Please ask the mods and admin to get rid of this jerk for his offensive behavior.

BTW, I'm still going to train, I'm just going to stay away from judo. I'll be doing karate and whatever school I can find to visit. There is a nice mma gym near here I could train at,but it's going to be a while before I get to do anything.

Thanks to you guys for having my back while I was out.
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#370277 - 07/14/08 05:51 PM Re: New title [Re: BrianS]
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Please do Taison. It's pretty weak to personally attack a guy when he is out to surgery. It was four days ago and I come back to this douchebag talking trash about me and I get this via pm from him.
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Brian you might have been involved in martial arts, but I suspect hard training wasnt your best point.

Your quitting judo at 35 because of an injury. There are guys in their 50's still competing with a list of injuries behind them.

says alot doesnt it.





This says alot about jude's character or lack there of. Please ask the mods and admin to get rid of this jerk for his offensive behavior.

BTW, I'm still going to train, I'm just going to stay away from judo. I'll be doing karate and whatever school I can find to visit. There is a nice mma gym near here I could train at,but it's going to be a while before I get to do anything.

Thanks to you guys for having my back while I was out.




You're not alone, he sent me a similar angry PM, something about my Karate being so un-Okinawan and me not being big and buff like him....lol.

IMO the dude is way out of line and has gone well beyond the usual good-natured sniping that goes on, and into the territory of simply harassing folks.

Not trying to tell you guys how yo your jobs as mods, but Jude33 has been out of hand for quite some time now, and I would hope that a PM harassing someone who is injured in that way counts as some kind of actionable offense on here, especially when it's fairly clear that his opinion on things is NOT being solicited by the people he's pm'ing.


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#370278 - 07/14/08 10:04 PM Re: New title [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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Guys, I'm personally going to shut him down don't worry.

As for Okinawan, my karate has more roots from Japan and Europe (odd?) than Okinawa. I'd probably be a heretik if I showed off my karate during it's earlier stages some fifty years ago back there.

Brian,
From my view point;
Just because you quit something doesn't mean you're giving up. I have tried CMA and for the very life of me, nothing bores me than doing kata kata and all that internal chi stuff. True it MAY be effective in prolonging my life, but my goal in MA is to shorten someone else's not extend my own. CMA like wing chun for example is called 'king of fist' techniques but I have more use for Boxing because it is trained alive and it is much much simpler and direct. Slapping away hands 5 times in a row is a waste of motion and energy, I'd rather go for the clinch.

Brian, if you do set up an informal training group, give me a few hints would ya? I'm stuck in the same position like you right now, nowhere to train. No 'Krotty' and no 'Judeau'

-Taison out
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#370279 - 07/15/08 08:31 AM Re: New title [Re: Taison]
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True it MAY be effective in prolonging my life, but my goal in MA is to shorten someone else's not extend my own.




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No 'Krotty' and no 'Judeau'






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#370280 - 07/15/08 02:51 PM Re: New title [Re: Taison]
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It's a pretty simple plan Taison,but it can be difficult to get others to play along. Just talk to people you think might be interested and sort out a time and what you guys are going to do.

As for quitting judo I thought about it quite a bit. On one hand I have been doing judo for a relatively short time and would like to continue. However, there are others to consider here, my family and kids. It's puts people out having to take me to therapy and being unable to take care of my kids alone. Also, it has been a financial blow. I'm only receiving 60% of my wages while off work.
I realize that martial arts has inherent risks associated with it,but I have to weigh those risks against what is best for my family. Continuing judo is not best for my family imo. I will be going to karate as often as possible and go from there.

Thanks to everyone for the nice pm's and support.

jude, go rob a house in Texas.
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#370281 - 08/17/08 02:42 PM Re: New title [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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#370282 - 08/18/08 04:50 PM Re: New title [Re: jude33]
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Didums!!

Train harder.

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#370283 - 08/22/08 01:02 PM Re: New title [Re: BrianS]
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"I will be going to karate as often as possible and go from there."

Going to Karate? You obviously haven't seen this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-xsUdH3ZDg&feature=related

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#370284 - 08/22/08 01:22 PM antonio car part san 9 *DELETED* [Re: everyone]
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#370285 - 08/22/08 02:04 PM THIS GUYS IS LIKE A RASH [Re: WZArthuras]
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THIS GUYS IS LIKE A RASH
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#370287 - 08/29/08 07:45 AM 90s black music groups [Re: WZArthuras]
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#370288 - 08/29/08 01:35 PM Re: tko hip hop music [Re: WilliamDYsa]
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How did this moron get 12 posts in?
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#370289 - 09/01/08 08:40 AM Re: tko hip hop music [Re: BrianS]
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Is this Jude33 back to haunt us under other names? He must have taken being banned quite badly...

B.

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#370290 - 09/01/08 11:40 PM Re: tko hip hop music [Re: Barad]
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uh, hello?

Mind if I join the thread?
Looks like someone was causing a stir, huh?

What subject are we on, then?

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#370291 - 09/01/08 11:46 PM Re: tko hip hop music [Re: JT_Weymouth]
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Say, uh, dumb question?

Is there any way to subscribe to these thread so I can get email notices?

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#370292 - 09/02/08 03:26 AM Brian's Judo log [Re: JT_Weymouth]
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JT,

This particular thread is about my judo log.

If you would like to contribute to it then do so. Off subject posts is considered hijacking, it's rude.

If you would like to start your own thread,feel free.
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#370293 - 09/02/08 12:38 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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How's it going? I thought last I heard you were recovering form a knee injury and contemplating retiring from active competition and helping build future champions from inside the dojo.

Really Judo is ruff stuff for a former cancer patient, I never thought I'd be proud of a USA Goju guy (though I am a fan Mestro Urban) but Sanchin31 you do us proud. have you decided that you were going enter another tournament or just you and the Bull are just going to tear eachother up training. As in Terminator II the Cyborg stated "I need a vacation". I'm talking about U.
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#370294 - 09/02/08 05:29 PM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Neko456]
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Neko,

Yep, I'm still recovering from an acl replacement I had on July 10th. It's a lengthy recovery process and I probably won't be fully active in ma again until sometime next summer.
I will not continue to do judo and risk further injury to my new knee or my good knee for that matter. After careful thought i deccided that doing judo was not worth it for me.
I'll continue down my karate path and seek out other training when I can. I'll probrbly take it easier for quite a while after i get going again too.
Thanks for your support!

B
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#370295 - 11/03/08 02:09 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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What can I say, I'm all wishy washy with this stuff.

I went to a judo tournament saturday just to watch. I ended up being recruited to keep time and score with two others. It was a good time and fun to watch.

I also enjoyed revisiting some of my training partners who still keep in touch,but it gave me the itch again!

My knee is still not ready for me to doi any real training yet. It's still really stiff and sore if it's bent for a few minutes and not ready to be tweaked at all yet. But, a few more months it should be good to go.

So, I'll put it to you good people to answer me this.

Should I go back and train judo when my knee is better? Should I stick to my previous decision? Ultimately, ofcourse I have to decide,but I'd like some honest input.

Thanks in advance!
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#370296 - 11/03/08 07:55 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: BrianS]
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Hi Brian.

Glad to hear you are on the mend.

I am getting over a bout of Post Concussion Syndrome. I have been advised not to attempt to grapple until the New Year.

The medical advice I have been given is that I can grapple once my PCS clears up, but if I suffer another concussion again (even a mild one) I could do serious damage, and have long lasting problems. For me, it isn't worth the risk.

The only place I would attempt to grapple again is a non-competitional Judo club about 25 miles from where I live. It teaches a more traditional kind of Judo, and it is a lot safer than other Judo clubs I have been to. Although they do Randori, it isn't stressed as much as in other clubs. They spend a lot of time on breakfalls and learning waza and teaching the principles of Judo.

You have to make up your own mind as you know though. If it were me, I probably wouldn't. If you do go back though, here is my advice:

1) No randori competitions.
2) Work on relaxation more. Maybe look in to something like yoga. Translate what you do in Yoga to what you do in Judo.
3) Do lots of work in your breakfalls. You can never practice this enough!
4) Get a group of training partners in class that understand what you have been through, and will help you build back up. Avoid people who are there to prove something/treat you like a wrestling dummy.
5) If you really want to compete in Judo, try Kata competitions.
6) If you can do the Yoga thing, ask your teacher about Ju No Kata. It is a fairly gentle kata that loosens people up, physically and mentally, in Judo. Here is some more about it:

http://www.judoinfo.com/kataju.htm

Video of Ju No Kata (1st Part):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95nSU5UX-j4

7) If you want to learn the principles of Judo, without actually doing the Judo, try the Shodokan Aikido place. Shodokan is the competitional style of Aikido. Though it isn't as rough as Judo randori, it is still tough going:

http://www.fayettevillemartialarts.com/classes/Aikido/Aikido.htm

Some food for thought. To conclude, if you do go back to Judo, you are going to have to change the way you approach it IMO.


Edited by Prizewriter (11/03/08 08:24 AM)
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#370297 - 11/03/08 09:35 AM Re: Brian's Judo log [Re: Prizewriter]
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Got no advice for you, bro. I'm still working on getting my back right since my injury. I may try to get back to class sometime in the next month or so, but this has been scary!

Ironic for me, since my injury had nothing to do with BJJ. But I know that BJJ would exacerbate it.
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#370298 - 11/06/08 05:36 PM Re: B's Judo log (harai goshi cllinic/ judo shiai) [Re: Prizewriter]
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Here's some videos from the Harai Goshi clinic last saturday in Springdale,AR.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1idc_Y-Wy0o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQBprSnnifY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxy0dG4aTY&feature=related

Here's some of the competetion footage. The first is the competetion from Missouri(red mats), then the Ark Judo Shiai (all blue mats) is mixed in the ends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_JBn8ueYwE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt55crgTxeg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlpFRo81kJg&feature=related
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#421495 - 08/11/09 07:52 PM Re: Brian's Judo log continued [Re: BrianS]
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Hello all, been a while.

Started back at judo three weeks ago. Things are going pretty good over all. I did 'tweak' my knee a couple times so far. Once because I turned it out when someone was doing ouichi gari and the other time is because of the weight difference.

I'm going slow and taking it easy for now, probably won't compete for many months.

Good to be back.

Brian
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#421570 - 08/14/09 03:31 PM Re: Brian's Judo log continued [Re: BrianS]
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Good to see you back and up and running. Well, up and jogging anyway! Slow and easy beats out fast and reinjured any day!

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#425351 - 02/21/10 09:51 AM Re: Brian's Judo log continued [Re: butterfly]
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Well, I ended up competing in Tulsa on December 5th. A fellow student got the pin on me the first round, but I made a good counter throw on the next guy. Only two guys in my weight class there so I got 2nd place,lol. Noah,my 8yr old son, also got 2nd place. I was very proud to watch him compete.
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#425353 - 02/21/10 10:02 AM Re: Brian's Judo log continued [Re: BrianS]
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Good stuff! How did you feel (physically) post-comp ?
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#425356 - 02/21/10 10:32 AM Re: Brian's Judo log continued [Re: Prizewriter]
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I feel pretty good. My legs are strong, but the weather affects my bad knee.

I'm in pretty good cardiovascular shape right noe too from all the newaza randori.
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#425360 - 02/21/10 11:33 AM Re: Brian's Judo log continued [Re: BrianS]
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Congrats, Brian. Props for competing. I am oping to get back into BJJ soon. I took a few classes recently, then twisted my knee falling on the ice, LOL. Hopefully I'll get back next week!

BTW, I am laughably out of shape. Jeez!
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#425444 - 02/22/10 04:31 PM Re: Brian's Judo log continued [Re: MattJ]
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We have had alot of people come and go in judo. I guess it's not just karate,lol.

Our head sensei is also moving to New Hampshire for a new job.

Get back to it Matt!
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#425537 - 02/26/10 03:04 AM Re: Brian's Judo log continued [Re: BrianS]
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WOW! I really like the combination of oiuchi gari to tai otoshi. Seems to work out pretty well for a guy my size. I could really get a good whipping action and make a hard/fast throw with it.
We took turns just planting eachother with it for a couple hours............lol... sick
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