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#369507 - 12/19/08 12:55 PM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: Ames]
Raul Perez Offline
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Registered: 08/08/02
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Loc: Lake Ronkonkoma, NY, USA
I hate when my posts dont get addressed!
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#369508 - 12/23/08 10:58 AM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: Raul Perez]
Ironfoot Offline
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Registered: 06/10/04
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I'm not saying it's McDojo if there's no sparring - it's incomplete training, however. You have to be trained MENTALLY to
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#369509 - 01/19/09 11:56 PM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: Ronin1966]
rcytrcy Offline
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sort out your private life in private- this is a MA website, not a divorce court


Edited by Cord (01/20/09 05:38 PM)

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#369510 - 01/25/09 10:06 PM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: harlan]
GSD Offline
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It's been 2 years since I responded to you with the answer Dragon Society International as the org. that offered and did induct people into the world hall of fame for the cost of $300. 50 or so inducted in as "instructor of the year" The same for master instructor.

I can't believe all of these opinionated people on this site haven't said their piece.


When an org. creates a means for dishonest instructors to lie/mislead students, that is truly fraud!

The way I see the no response to my reply to you is that either you're friends with DSI or world martial arts hall of fame or you're one of the inductees. (I hope I am wrong about the latter of the three).

Students trust their teachers. They believe what their teacher says is the truth.
Every school has some kind of "creed". Honesty is always one of the most highlighted traits a martial artist is suppose to practice and display.

You people like to use the term McDojo. I am giving you the perfect example of what a McDojo, McSensei and McHall of famer is.
And nobody has anything to say!

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#369511 - 01/26/09 12:30 AM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: GSD]
oldman Offline
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GSD,
Maybe no one responded to your comment because they were unclear about your position... I mean how would you suggest we reconcile the differences between your two quotes?

Quote:

I have no problems with the DSI or DKI orgs. . The info. I got from them helped improve my technique. They are nice people and always willing to help.




And...

Quote:

When an org. creates a means for dishonest instructors to lie/mislead students, that is truly fraud!

The way I see the no response to my reply to you is that either you're friends with DSI or world martial arts hall of fame or you're one of the inductees. (I hope I am wrong about the latter of the three).





It seems you are either kind of confused, or really confused , or three well, lets not even talk about the third option. Heres is another hint. People that come here and talk about practicing no touch knock outs, make 13 posts and leave for 2 years? Well what would you expect? What have YOU done in two years to protect the public regardng the matter.

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#369512 - 01/26/09 09:31 AM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: oldman]
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This post had nothing to do with touchless kos or how nice DKI or DSI were at seminars. Of course they would be nice at seminars. If they weren't no one would ever return for the next one.

As confused as I may seem, my mind was clear enough not to buy an induction.

Touchless kos? I don't do or teach them. Those and any type of soft touch ko were intended for demonstration purposes only.

As far as what I've done in two years to protect the public is this.
I tell people that if they're interested in studying with an instructor and he advertises being a hall of famer. They would be smart to do a little research on him and the hall.

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#369513 - 01/26/09 10:37 AM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: GSD]
Ames Offline
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Registered: 05/29/05
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The way I see the no response to my reply to you is that either you're friends with DSI or world martial arts hall of fame or you're one of the inductees.




No. As oldman said, the reason no one responded to you is because your posts on the matter are extremely unclear.

Quote:

You people like to use the term McDojo. I am giving you the perfect example of what a McDojo, McSensei and McHall of famer is.
And nobody has anything to say!




Perhaps you should say something then. Because, as I say, your posts are very unclear as the situation. Tell me, have you emailed those involved, or those that have bought a certificate? Have you done any investigation whatsoever into this matter YOURSELF?

If this matter is so important to you, why did it take YOU two years to respond??

Please don't come on this board and toss out accusations directed at the members here. Make a clear, well argued post or start a new thread on the topic, and people will respond.

--Chris
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#369514 - 02/12/09 04:46 AM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: harlan]
cliv3ne Offline
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Registered: 02/11/09
Posts: 3
Quote:

Commendable post, and I hope it gets 'stickied' for future reference.

I'd just like to reiterate JAMJTX's position that it's good advice for commercial dojos, with the reminder that not every newbie is looking for a discipline for it's 'martial worth'. Face it...many people that are very happy with their arts are not concerned with the martial side/potential.

As for scratching a bit deeper, to find non-commercial training, I think it's a bit trickier to go about verifying the 'credentials'. I wouldn't suggest the 20 questions approach if applying to koryu, or private dojos. Research is good, and an openness to answering questions is always preferable...but the 'contract' is different...and different rules apply.




thanks dude. . .



Edited by Raul Perez (02/12/09 08:34 AM)

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#369515 - 03/09/09 03:10 AM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: Ronin1966]
themmazone Offline
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Registered: 03/09/09
Posts: 1
Loc: Kansas, US
Great Post and excellent workout on articles..

Keep it up!

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#369516 - 03/10/09 01:19 PM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: themmazone]
imperial_crane Offline
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Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 26
Loc: Maryland, USA
Hi All,

As I said before I don't check this forum much, my fault so I'll try to reply more often.

I thought Raul was referring to me when I did not respond to his last post back in early December. His points on how sparring prepares you for the street are somewhat understandable but I do not generally agree with most of
them.
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