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#429218 - 08/19/10 11:29 AM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: BigWiggly]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Hello BigWiggly:

Have not had the pleasure before, a pleasure to meet you! <small bow of friendly greeting>

You raise several issues. Lets start with ones assorted title(s). Perhaps this is my cultural bias, but if you are not of/from another culture, not a "national" of that specific culture, why on earth should we use THEIR terminology(ies) beyond literal identification if, if we absolutely must???

There are many who butcher irreparably whatever language they are pretending to use, and do so in order to create and maintain an entirely artificial higher "status". Idiotic foolishness. "... great you can speak Tibetian, so what, you are still a massive jerk..."

What of others who need their titles? My name is Jeff. If you'd like to call me something (for class), I'm uncomfortable with it but if done low key enough, quietly, Ill try and ignore it.

But what kind of massive flatulence is it when the titles are screamed at the top of ones lungs, as a matter of so called culture. Militancy of a very specific (minor) time frame in history, is that atmosphere meaningful for good training?

Jeff

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#431055 - 12/06/10 05:28 AM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: Raul Perez]
marieisabelle23 Offline
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what a nice draft...

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#431619 - 02/24/11 02:49 AM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: marieisabelle23]
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There's a lot of fraud in taekwondo, and both WTF and ITF are equally guilty. But I have learned quite a bit from the good schools that were in both WTF and the various ITF organizations. All good and bad schools insist on learning the signature TKD kicks, which are high-flying and fanciful, but this does not mean the schools are bad - quite the contrary.

One other thing - many TKD masters or grandmasters or whatever will also claim to be real dojos and even condemn the McDojo phenomenon, but, in truth, they're the Mcdojo operators. Take that observation of human nature for what that's worth.

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#431626 - 02/24/11 11:54 AM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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Hello TaekwonDoFan:

If a TKD person with whatever (sic. silly) title claim to be teaching as "real dojos" they better be teaching a japanese art instead. Dojo is not the korean term wink

Different cultural atmospheres... yes?
Jeff


Edited by Ronin1966 (02/24/11 12:13 PM)

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#431893 - 04/04/11 12:15 AM Re: Fraud and the Martial Arts [Re: Ronin1966]
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I think people join orgs for which they pay, therefore later to display, is an attempt to get them more credibility when they think what they have so far is not adequate.

I have never had a problem with teaching and my credentials. I never display anymore than what I am. That said, I do not go forth and display my identity on open forum for the main reason of political strife within the martial art systems I was among.

Furthermore, there are other schools that I know of, and their instructors, and despite not training with these, I can fully recommend to anyone who is more interested in anything apart from what I do. (They in reversal)

To the OP, Raul;

This subject became an issue during the 70's when a senator (whom was a student of Jhoon Rhee) tried to use his influence in Congress to find or establish a regulation for martial arts.

New Jersey:
ftp://www.njleg.state.nj.us/19981999/A2500/2216_I1.HTM

Oregon:
http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/legislativ...t/sgg04221.html

http://www.eastimorlawjournal.org/ARTICLES/2009/Regulation_of_Martial_Arts_in_East_Timor.html

http://martialartsbusinessdaily.com/424/texas-martial-arts-day-care/

However, the main attack for regulation nowadays is on MMA because of the aggressive display.

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