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#368580 - 11/17/07 06:38 PM Re: This is worth watching. [Re: underdog]
eyrie Offline
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Rather than "delicate" balance, I'd use the word "robust" balance. We are wonderfully made and have an amazing capacity to right ourselves. It takes quite a bit to render us "out of whack".

That may be true, but our western lifestyle has largely de-sensitized us to *feeling* on many levels - we *think* we are "healthy", but usually the reverse is true. It may also be true, that the average lifespan in the west has extended to 75-80, due to our wondrous advances in medical and clinical technology, but imagine living well into your 90s and 100s. That's what this *ancient* technology allows us to do.

In most people, their "qi" is *weak* - we simply think this is the *normal* state because this is the level of "energy" we are used to and therefore the limit we are capable of. If that were the case, then wherefore the need for qigong? And why spend years cultivating qi in the cinnabar field?

Anyone who has had a modicum of training in this area would know, the moment a new student walks in the door, how much connectivity and structural "strength" (qi) they have - and therefore how much more work the student needs to do in order to even approach the level one is at, much less the level of one's own teacher, or their teachers before.

Tell me it isn't true...

#368581 - 11/17/07 08:10 PM Re: This is worth watching. [Re: eyrie]
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I practice qigong every day. I also pray every day. I train 5-6 days a week. I don't do yoga or a lot of meditation. Occaisionally I engage in other restorative activities. I feel like I am a sensative person. I find all of these activities build my qi.

Does that give me a modicum of training in this area?

Because I work with numbers of people in out-of-dojo experiences, I believe that people experience having reservoirs of healthy qi with many different vocabularies and explanations for their consequent healthy state. I trust their descriptions and satisfaction with their own experience and conclude that there are many ways to get there.
The older I get, the better I was!

#368582 - 11/17/07 08:43 PM Re: This is worth watching. [Re: eyrie]
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Quote by Eyrie -


but imagine living well into your 90s and 100s. That's what this *ancient* technology allows us to do.

Not sure I follow you there. Wouldn't most decent exercise plans keep people healthy in their senior years? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you make it sound like longetivity is a province only of qigong.
"In case you ever wondered what it's like to be knocked out, it's like waking up from a nightmare only to discover it wasn't a dream." -Forrest Griffin

#368583 - 11/17/07 09:31 PM Re: This is worth watching. [Re: MattJ]
eyrie Offline
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George Burns smoked cigars and lived till he was 100. Many centenarians and super-centenarians have made various claim as to their lifestyle, like clean air, vegetarianism, the occasional indulgence in smoking and drinking, but never IIRC, have they made any claim that they attributed their longevity to qigong.

By the same token, many apparently healthy people die prematurely, from heart attack, cancer and other common diseases, despite living and eating well, exercising regularly etc....

So, you don't need to do qigong to help prolong longevity... but you can't say that healthy living and exercise helps either.

I'm just saying, that's the thinking behind (Taoist) qigong (breath work), whether that's true or not... draw your own conclusions.

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