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#367854 - 10/31/07 04:32 PM Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style?
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I attended a class of this Danzan style: bushidokan
And specifically this school: koshinkan
I have no experience with any of the Danzan styles and was curious if anyone has heard anything about this specific style and school?
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#367855 - 10/31/07 06:30 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: JoshuaMonjin]
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I used to train with a Danzan Ryu / AJJF group. I never met Prof Legue but people spoke highly of him and the Bushidokan.
I am not familiar with the Koshinkan school but I'm sure it will be a good place to train.

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#367856 - 11/01/07 04:36 AM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: JoshuaMonjin]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danzan_Ryu

Herb LaGue is mentioned in this article under "The Bushidokan Federation" section.

I have no personal experience of the style, but I am normally sceptical of so called Ju Jutsu that "mixes and matches" from other martial arts, e.g. Robert Clark and the WJJF (Mr Clark seems to have studied little actual Ju Jutsu and uses kickboxing/combatives/judo mix and markets it as Japanese Ju Jutsu.)

In my experience in situations such as this it is less about "finding what works", its more like " I don't fully understand what it is I am claiming to teach so I will paper over the cracks with other bits and pieces".

That may be a harsh assessment I know, but it is my experience with Ju Jutsu and indeed with Ju Jutsu in Europe. It may be much the same in the USA.

Your school may be a very good school and teaches you what you are looking for. If so, keep at it!
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#367857 - 11/01/07 01:15 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: Prizewriter]
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I would hardly call Danzan Ryu a "mix and match style".
DZR was not created by taking pieces from other arts to fill in where there was no understanding. Rather it is quite the opposite. It is the product of Henry Okazaki's very deep understanding.
I never tested for any rank in the style but I trained extensively at seminars and camps with some of the best people of the AJJF. I would not hesitate to reccomend Danzan Ryu training to anyone interested in Jujutsu.
Although I never met Prof Lague, as stated I know people who spoke highly of him. The web site says that he still teaches the full DZR curriculum. So there you are assured of being taught a complete, effective martial art. Beyond the DZR I have no idea what he is teaching. But I say it is worth looking into based on the merits of the Danzan Ryu and his past reputation.

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#367858 - 11/02/07 06:38 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: JAMJTX]
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Sorry just to clarify...

The threas isn't talking about Okazaki's Danzan JJ per se, it is talking about an off shoot formed by Herb LaGue.

For all I know LaGue could be a bonafided master of JJ, or he could be someone who learnt a tiny bit of Danzan, then filled in the gaps by learning bits and pieces of other things, then used the Danzan name for marketing purposes.

Who knows?

As I said in the beginning, if it the poster enjoys the art and it gives them what they are looking for then they should stick with it.
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#367859 - 11/02/07 10:33 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: Prizewriter]
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Sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought you were referring to DZR in general.
Herb Lague is a bonafide "Professor" of DZR. This title is used in place of Shihan by the Danzan Ryu community. As far as I know it was awarded by the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, but I may be wrong about that.
I would have to say the school is definitely worth looking into. You will always be welcome at other Danzan Ryu events so you can readily compare what you are being taught.

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#367860 - 11/05/07 06:49 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: JAMJTX]
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Thanks for the responses. The interesting thing about the mix/match issue is that I have read that Okazaki himself mixed some japanese karate styles with his jujitsu and it seems people today are continuing it. I could be wrong
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#367861 - 11/05/07 11:34 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: JoshuaMonjin]
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You are correct. Although primarily based on Kodokan Judo and various styles of Jujutsu, Okazaki studied some Chinese arts, Karate and also Hawaiian Lua.
If he had lived longer, I have no doubt that he would have continued looking at other arts and cross-training all that he could

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#367862 - 11/08/07 09:33 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: JAMJTX]
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Hey, I would just like to clarify something. Herb isn't an AJJF Professor anymore, he was kicked out. He had good technique but his behaviour toward his students was inappropriate. Also, AJJF doesn't monitor how he teaches DZR anymore so, techniclly, what he's teaching isn't DZR (Prizewriter is right-using 'DZR' for marketing). If you want real DZR there is an excellent dojo in Reno run by Frank Farris called High Sierra Jujutsu. If you like Herb's style then more power to you but it isn't DZR.

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#367863 - 11/08/07 11:39 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style?
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Obviously I did not know he was kicked out. I just assumed he moved on to do his own thing.
I'd be concerned about someone getting kicked out of an irganization like the AJJF. And that could change my reccomendation.
Although not being part of the AJJF does not prevent one from calling the art DZR. Also the Lague web site does state his new style name. He says he teaches the DZR curriculum.
Either way, getting kicked out of the AJJF would be a big black eye and a big red flag. But the knowledge and skills are there.
Thanks for brining this to our attention.

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#367864 - 11/09/07 01:36 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: JAMJTX]
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Thanks for the post. Does anyone think Lague being kicked out would affect the school I am considering? Or should it affect my decision in joining it anyway? Would I be out of line to contact the AJJF for further details? If so please let me know. I am inexperienced regarding choosing a new school.
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#367865 - 11/09/07 02:14 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: JAMJTX]
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Sorry man, but I gotta disagree with you. He named his new style Danzan Ryu Zenyo Bujutsu. I don't think it's right to use DZR in the name of his style since he's no long affiliated with the AJJF. I might be being overly protective but I don't want anyone to associate him with DZR. It's good that he gives Okazaki credit for what he's learned but I still think he should name his style something else. I couldn't find a list or description of the techniques he's teaching so I guess I can't say whether he's teaching real DZR or not but I stand by my other opinion.

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#367866 - 11/09/07 02:49 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: JoshuaMonjin]
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Don't worry, he didn't do anything illegal, just immoral.

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#367867 - 11/09/07 04:42 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style?
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Thank you. The thing is that I am already commuting to Minden, NV for my Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu Iaijutsu class and that is a hour and 20 minute drive from Fallon. So another long commute to Reno plus being a full time college student forcludes that option for now. I think I will try Koshinkan, it is run by a black belt of LaGue's and not him personally. He is actually based in Sparks, NV. Also I found this link head of sierra jujitsu that says that the head of high sierra jujitsu got his start with the Bushidokan. Don't now if it matters just a interesting bit of info. Maybe I will try high sierra eventually. Anyway I will keep my eyes open and always be aware.
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#367868 - 11/09/07 05:07 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: JoshuaMonjin]
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I hope you like it. Jujutsu is a lot of fun. Also iteresting, though, that Frank broke off to join the AJJF.

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#367869 - 11/10/07 03:46 AM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style?
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I agree jujitsu is alot of fun. However, I have an update. Earlier, I had almost made up my mind to join the school but I still had some doubts. I took the opportunity to ask my Sensei's advice after class tonight. His advice confirmed my own doubts and I decided to not join the school and federation. Because I don't want my martial arts to get involved in that sort of thing. And I feel I couldn't have him as an superior.
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#367870 - 04/25/08 07:15 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style?
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Quote:

Hey, I would just like to clarify something. Herb isn't an AJJF Professor anymore, he was kicked out. He had good technique but his behaviour toward his students was inappropriate.





May I ask what his inappropriate behavior was? It was my understanding that the AJJF told him to change and he outright refused and left the AJJF. Not for inappropriate behavior towards students, but for wanting to extend the system and teaching his extensions of the system.

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#367871 - 04/25/08 07:56 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: JAMJTX]
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Although I'm a karate guy, I know exactly two Danzan ryu players and I can arrange an intro if yo wan to check it out.

Very strong, very fluid with great attention to detail.
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#367872 - 04/25/08 09:24 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: ttruscott]
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Are you referring to me, I have a first brown in DZR.

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#367873 - 04/25/08 09:35 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: whatwhat]
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He replied to JAMTX.
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#367874 - 04/25/08 10:24 PM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: BrianS]
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I figured that, but given the amount of replies answering the original question I was unsure.

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#367875 - 06/16/08 12:18 AM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: whatwhat]
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I have a 1st brown in DZR and studied under Herb LaGue.
Avoid him. He used to be highly placed in the AJJF but left/was kicked out. Many of his students left him because of his behavior.
I strongly suspect that he and his wife are long time amphetamine users. I know he is a weirdo from personal contact with him over a few years of classes. Imagine someone along the lines of Charles Manson/Jim Jones/cult leader personality. He was so weird that I left theAJJF for almost 10 years to avoid him. I came back when I heard he and the AJJF had parted company.
Frank Ferris at High Sierra Jujitsu, however, is a great guy, and I cannot recommend him highly enough. He and his wife Cindy are great. They hosted the convention this year and I spoke with them personally.
I hope this helps.

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#431300 - 01/09/11 01:29 AM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: JAMJTX]
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I studied DZR under Prof Lague, as an ajjf member, in the 70s-80s at Sparks Judo and Jujitsu, later renamed Bushidokan. At that time it was an excellent school with exceptional instructors.

1) Genuine Okasaki lineage DZR jujitsu. Okasaki - Estes - Lague

2) Leaving or being kicked out of the AJJF is a plus.

3) The AJJF does not hold exclusive rights to Danzan ryu and the Okasaki lineage. They just think they do.

4) I would never study with or under Frank0.

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#434780 - 03/12/12 02:19 AM Re: Anyone heard of this Danzan ryu style? [Re: BrokenArrow]
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Spreading rumours of criminal activity opens this site to lawsuit.


Edited by Zombie Zero (03/12/12 08:25 AM)
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