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#366840 - 02/01/08 10:50 PM Re: thoughtforms or forms of thought? [Re: wristtwister]
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oops...my mistake. gomen nasai, ne.

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#366841 - 02/01/08 11:12 PM Re: thoughtforms or forms of thought? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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I'd say you can't really get much more off topic than this.




Actually Ed your post may be the only one that even hints at the original idea which was about Golems. If one understands the legend of the Golem you can see how it relates to your comment.

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puppet governments and effectively create slave asian nations.




Golems in Jewish legend are created beings. They were being or figure fashioned of clay ( or robots)in modern myths. Those creatures had no choice but to serve, protect and do the bidding of those that created them. The Golem "lived as long as it did the bidding of it's creator and could be retuned to dust after it's task was done or when it's maker saw fit to dismantle it. The Golem did not act by free will but under compulsion of those that controlled it. In addition that the Golem had very little power of discernment ,could not access the intellect or gain wisdom.

The wisdom that is contained in the ancient legend of the Golem or the lack of it is reflected in many posts on this thread.

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#366842 - 02/02/08 12:53 AM Re: thoughtforms or forms of thought? [Re: oldman]
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Ed, we could start entire history threads about any single war and why it was fought. It is true that a recurring theme was both sides swearing that god was on their side. Another recurring theme is the fact that some sort of resource was involved. And as far as the topic goes, it has evolved. What has the various thoughtforms human kind invented brought about. War is among them. Utilizing religious beliefs is old hat when it comes to motivating your people to fight. But, there has also been much good wrought by those who have strong faith. Religion is yet another two edged sword mankind has.

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#366843 - 02/02/08 01:17 AM Re: thoughtforms or forms of thought? [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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I think there is another way. maybe someday...not in our lifetime though.

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#366844 - 02/02/08 01:24 AM Re: thoughtforms or forms of thought? [Re: oldman]
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A multi-layered thought that's entering the philosophical. Mark. you are a step ahead of me. Can you elaborate more...

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#366845 - 02/03/08 12:09 AM Re: thoughtforms or forms of thought? [Re: oldman]
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thought about it more: you are refering to dualism.

basically the lessons of 'Frankenstein'. creating something in your own image for your own bidding, losing contol of it, and it destroying you in the end.

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#366846 - 02/03/08 05:39 PM Re: thoughtforms or forms of thought? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Ed,
I didn't think of the legend it terms of dualism. Because of recent time limitations my contributions here will most likely end up being drive bys.
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#366847 - 02/03/08 08:10 PM Re: thoughtforms or forms of thought? [Re: oldman]
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It is our sole instinct to survive at any cost. To prove ourselves superior, that we may survive, at any cost. The ultimate goal of all creatures is to become the most sucsessful, the most superior over all others. It is why we kill, why we lie, why we tell tales, argue, and by our own human intelligence why we can sometimes throw ourselves willing into death to save others. Humans are only now starting to become sucsessful as a whole, not as individuals.

The golem was our slave, our attempt to be superior with no equillibrium, no cost, We suffered for it. In the legend of the golem, by erasing the first letter of Emet(truth) which was written on the golem's forehead, thus spelling met(death) and killing the golem.

There Is always equillibrium, there is never an easy way.

Oh my, I've gotten off topic

As for the concept itself, I have my own reasons to beleive it is entirely possible to make something out of pure will. The problem is that our own will is so bogged down with law, it is seldom, if ever pure.
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