ah yes, "old forgotten knowledge"....which in your case might be stuff that hit the mainstream last decade.

Just use you chi power Ed. That ough to fix 'em.

I Love your Inner attitude ED...

and I love your external agenda, MF.

Imagination is more important than knowledge, for knowledge is limited while imagination embraces the entire world.
-- Albert Einstein


A human being is a part of the whole, called by us Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest--a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.
-- Albert Einstein

Well, Ed, as far as the prison population goes, the majority, (right around 60%, I believe) is in there for drug related charges. And by that I mean possession or a dealing type charge. Most of these dealers have some code of morality or honor, they were doing it for the money. Then there is the rather large group that committed a crime to fulfill their addictions. Morality doesn't even come into play. I needed it, therefore I did whatever I had to to get it. The majority of your murders, especially your double homicides, are crimes of passion, I believe. If not the majority, than a large majority. Husband came home, caught the wife with the post man, and before he knew it, he'd fired two rounds from his gun and they were both dead. Not a religious or moral thing, just a slip in judgment that one time. Even your gang type murders have the perp claiming a moral imperative based on the code of honor they live by. The point is, whether it was an addiction, the fight for survival, or momentary lapse, religion doesn't play that much into the equation. The prison population is like any ohter, just these people have broken societies laws.

As for how many people have killed in the name of their Thoughforms? Well, the Crusades didn't empty out most of Europe into Palestine. Most of the Muslim world isn't in Iraq or Afghanistan trying to kill American troops in the name of Allah. Yes, there have been religious leaders who have used people's beliefs to incite violence, in an effort to gain more power for themselves. But, they have been the minority, as have been the people who have followed them. Matt pointed to those who do the same thing for money. Usually, that's what's behind any war, resources and power. Even if Religion is the driving force behind that war. I can point to the Crusades for a great example. Jerusalem was the resource. Pilgrimages to Jerusalem were a powerful source of income, so whoever controlled the city, made the money. Several of the treaties signed ending a Crusade left the right of Christians to visit holy sites in Jerusalem intact. Yet the Europeans kept going back.

Religion isn't the only thing to blame for many of the wars fought in human history. There are always many factors involved in why wars are fought.

did you know that 80% of all percentage figures given on a forum are made-up and the other 20% are guesses?

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They even admit that someone calling themself an atheist is an excuse to live without any sort of moral rules.

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I actually take great offense to this statement. I'm an atheist and i happen to hold myself to a very high moral standard. I put my self and my personal needs last after my family, my friends and my country. I've been separated from my family for more than a year straight (this time) and have another year to go. In 5.5 years of deployments i spent less than 18 months at home and never for more than a month straight. Even with all the time i've been separated from my wife and with all the temptations there are (if you have ever seen the women in Australia and Greece you know what i'm talking about) i have never cheated or even come close. I became military police in order to uphold good order and discipline and to hold our military to a higher moral standard.

The inability to "prove" or explain an incident using current scientific methods doesn't mean it's a "supernatural". It just means we don't have the means to fully understand it...yet. The technology we have today would be thought of as supernatural 200 years ago.

I'm not an atheist because i want to feel justified in doing bad things. It's because i'm not one to simply believe what i'm handed, i'm not one for blind faith. I take responsibility for my actions good and bad. I don't think badly of anyone for their religious beliefs and only expect the same respect.

Trust me there is such a thing as an atheist in a fox hole.