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#366728 - 01/09/08 10:46 PM Re: Defending your wallet against schools.... [Re: dicen]
Glockmeister Offline
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Registered: 12/22/05
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Loc: Lancaster, Pa
Another reason never to sign a contract.

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#366729 - 02/01/08 12:22 PM Re: Defending your wallet against schools.... [Re: Glockmeister]
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My concern about KM is that there are two totally separate tracks, student and instructor.

Students can train for years in Krav and become expert. But, as I understand it, you only become a certified teacher by paying to go through a certification program (three individual levels, each a week long).

Its unlike other systems where the most senior and experienced students become instructors.

At my school, I was being "trained" by instructors who had spent years less time in the program than I had. That took away some of my enthusiasm.

That being said, we still had some good senior instructors as well.

Even though certification and standards are important, its really hard for new instructors to earn the respect of long-time students under that kind of system.

Leadership often means paying your dues (not necessarily in the form of money).

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#366730 - 02/11/08 01:28 PM Re: Defending your wallet against schools.... [Re: sproutopop]
Glockmeister Offline
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But, as I understand it, you only become a certified teacher by paying to go through a certification program (three individual levels, each a week long).





As opposed to what? Paying outlandish "testing fees" for a black belt test that takes like...an hour?

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#366731 - 02/11/08 01:45 PM Re: Defending your wallet against schools.... [Re: sproutopop]
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That is the big difference between Krav and Traditional arts. Krav is designed to be learned in a short amount of time. Kinda like "out of the box" if you will..

So, I don't think you can compare a traditional instructor with years to krav instructor. I guess ya can't compare time in service. But that shouldn't take away from their ability to teach. Both have earned the right to instruct.
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#366732 - 02/20/08 01:56 PM Re: Defending your wallet against schools.... [Re: Glockmeister]
sproutopop Offline
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Quote:

Quote:


But, as I understand it, you only become a certified teacher by paying to go through a certification program (three individual levels, each a week long).





As opposed to what? Paying outlandish "testing fees" for a black belt test that takes like...an hour?




Apparently you misunderstood what I was saying. Let me be clear; "it takes more than a week to learn a fighting system and legitimately be able to teach it."

Hope that one wasn't as confusing. This concept doesn't seem too unreasonable.

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#366733 - 02/20/08 05:29 PM Re: Defending your wallet against schools.... [Re: sproutopop]
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Just to make sure we all understand, you do not get certified in one week to teach an entire system. You can get certified in one week to teach level 1 classes. You still need to train and learn the system at Instructor training seminars and such. When you are ready to test for level 2 certification you do. The same goes for level 3. It takes a while to get certified to teach the entire system. It is more like three weeks of certification with 100's of hours in between for Instructor training.
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#366734 - 02/21/08 09:54 AM Re: Defending your wallet against schools.... [Re: Dedicated1]
Glockmeister Offline
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Just to make sure we all understand, you do not get certified in one week to teach an entire system. You can get certified in one week to teach level 1 classes. You still need to train and learn the system at Instructor training seminars and such. When you are ready to test for level 2 certification you do. The same goes for level 3. It takes a while to get certified to teach the entire system. It is more like three weeks of certification with 100's of hours in between for Instructor training.




Read above Sproutopop. Hope that wasn't too confusing.


Edited by Glockmeister (02/21/08 09:55 AM)

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#366735 - 02/21/08 03:29 PM Re: Defending your wallet against schools.... [Re: Glockmeister]
sproutopop Offline
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Dedicated1 thanks. For the instructors I began under, that was the way it worked and the system itself is great.

However, a little later on things changed when students grew and pressure for more classes increased. Phase A (one-week wonder) instructors were being called on a lot. Morale dropped and a bunch of long-timers left. This may have been temporary, or just an unusual occurrence at one particular place.

Yes this training center did require an initial year-long contract and I was dumb enough to sign up. But I stuck with it for over four years so it seemed to balance out.

I still love the system. In particular all the hours it took to learn it.

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#366736 - 02/23/08 10:24 AM Re: Defending your wallet against schools.... [Re: sproutopop]
Fletch1 Offline
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Registered: 06/21/04
Posts: 2218
Loc: Florida
Harder and harder to validate and defend a program that by it's own marketing machine has gone down a rock road in pursuit of $$$.

The more people want to be "instructors" and take the course, the more $$$ is involved. Eventually, this will seriously impact the credibility of the training when you are either a new student or an instructor.
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#366737 - 03/13/08 08:53 AM Re: Defending your wallet against Krav Maga. . . [Re: BrokenNose]
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wow. it looks like something is very wrong with the school you go to. It shouldn't be all about the tee shirts and new seminars etc. I gave spamming FA.com a try when I got tired of all the live class bullcrap, and have not looked back since. -a month is like 25 bucks on this site, which is the cost of a single class in some places, AND I know i'm being taught by the real deal Ran Nakash was featured last week on Fight Quest.


Edited by ZombieZero (03/13/08 09:05 AM)

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