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#365187 - 10/16/07 01:18 PM Re: Chi:Shoes & Metal parts [Re: Neko456]
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I have and we have our own version of it, but the Yang family exercises are better than anything I've ever come across and have been working miracles for me!

In the first 12 weeks I took 11 falls which tore the stitching and repairs time and time again - and that was just trying to walk! I would not recommend having both knees replaced at the same time to anyone, but now I am stable and recovering fast...... and VERY carefully
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#365188 - 10/16/07 02:39 PM Re: Chi:Shoes & Metal parts [Re: Bossman]
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....and still hitting pretty hard for an old bloke with two metal knees...as I found out on Friday!!!!
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#365189 - 10/17/07 03:38 AM Re: Chi:Shoes & Metal parts [Re: Gavin]
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Last night I also 'pushed' with my younger instructors and could hold them easily (despite the fact that I can only go downstairs one at a time and have to use both hands on the rails) because the alignment to 'root' does not require any pressure in the knees. It was good for my students to understand this.
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#365190 - 10/17/07 08:26 AM Re: Chi:Shoes & Metal parts [Re: Bossman]
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Metal knees? what's next? metal elbows? Planning on entering some senior citizen's Muay Thai competition?
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#365191 - 10/17/07 08:32 AM Re: Chi:Shoes & Metal parts [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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I've been watching 'Ong Bak' for ideas......
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#365192 - 10/18/07 10:00 AM Re: Chi:Shoes & Metal parts [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Hello ButterflyPalm:

Shoes (vs. barefeet) does footwear prevent direct connection to chi from the ground? (Bad analogy: our shoes prevent connection between the battery and the jumper cables because shoes prevent contact) Wondering if those who DO possess the chi context/systemic explaination within their practices feel re: chiflow prevented/inhibited by shoes?

As for ~foreign parts~, I was NOT asking if our structures were better off because of them. My question was what those alien-bionic parts did for the chi flow specifically! Prevent its normal course, its signal strength per se?

Jeff

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#365193 - 10/18/07 10:13 AM Re: Chi:Shoes & Metal parts [Re: cxt]
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Hello CXT:

Ahhhh, the metal element, would not dream of forgetting it. My problem being I lack a systemic context to explain chi, in that manner at that level/depth.

Lacking the systemic template difficult to grasp the fuller effect...

<<in terms of knee-replacement and the materials used.

Exactly the kind of thing I was curious about...

My bad analogy do either shoes/artifical parts (that repair our bad structure) lesson, inhibit, prevent connection to ones available power(s)[sic. chi]... say, sticking sneakers, etc between the car battery and the jumper cables so the two never DIRECTLY contact....

Is that what occurs using shoes/"bionic parts"?!

Jeff

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#365194 - 10/18/07 10:34 AM Re: Chi:Shoes & Metal parts [Re: Ronin1966]
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Ronin

Honestly don't know.

Just happened to recall a similer discussion with a buddy of mine that does Taji.
Truth be told I'm not sure that they understood things in anymore depth than has already been discussed.....I certainly don't.

On a personal level I'd hate to think that the effects are so subtle that wearing shoes or having a pin in your leg/shoulder etc can prevent it from working.

Least I hope not.
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#365195 - 10/18/07 10:47 AM Re: Chi:Shoes & Metal parts [Re: Ronin1966]
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Shoes (vs. barefeet) does footwear prevent direct connection to chi from the ground?




I don't know what other people do, but as part of my training is to gather chi from the ground through the "yung chuan" point (bubbling spring/well point) wearing rubber soled shoes certainly reduce significantly the required sensation; which is why many people think that chi is actually bio-electrical in nature. Wearing cloth-soled shoes I find is the best as these training are done outdoors, preferably in a wooded area. In-doors will of course be bare-footed provided the floor is not too cold. BTW, the point is called 'bubbling spring/well' because you do feel as if some liquid is bubbling there, a very nice, soothing sensation, as if some soft-fingers are giving you a foot-massage, which is why some people can stand there for an hour and feel no strain on the legs.

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My question was what those alien-bionic parts did for the chi flow specifically! Prevent its normal course, its signal strength....




I do not have large pieces of metal in there like Bossman (perhaps he can give us more details) The metallic clips and a piece of plastic at my right-upper chest area (about the size of a baseball) do not hinder, increase or deviate in any way the sensation of the flow of chi. I have practiced before and after the operation and found no difference.
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#365196 - 10/19/07 11:19 AM Re: Chi:Shoes & Metal parts [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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I've never has a problem with shoes, you pump energy by pressing through different parts of your feet, so wearing shoes that allow you to do that are important, as I said before plimsolls, baseball shoes/boots, tennis shoes, deck shoes etc are all good. When on good ground and natural places the energy flows up easily.

The lower halves of my legs were literally amputated and the ends of the shin and thigh bones sawn off and put back together with replacement knees made of titanium with polythene cartilage, if anything I can feel the flow of energy better now that the bones are not as inflamed as they were before.
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