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med, in your opinion, is this good or bad practice? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd5LG2xw-FU

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I think that's where we disagree. I don't think these drills manage to spoon feed very well at all. There are training methods to teach newbies to defend themselves without using these 'one-step' methods...not only that, but they learn faster by NOT using these roundabout ways of training. how do you explain that?

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I hope that these black belts are attempting to show a basic drill for beginners and not an advanced form of training that drill. (And) Ed, you are right here, these types of drills are not the proper way to teach real defense against striking.

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med, in your opinion, is this good or bad practice? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd5LG2xw-FU

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If you are doing this.

You might as well be doing TKD. (oh no I didn't!)

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I think you have to start somewhere.

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I agree, but even starting like this is bad practice in my opinion. What can be learned from this? Timing? nope..how to do blocking? nope..How to develop a skillset that will get you beat up? yep!

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Watching newbies learn to "block" and punch and learn footwork in boxing looks pretty awkward too.

The problem however is where/when people never get past the "training wheels" stage...IMO.

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Yeah,but you have to get the good adjustable training wheels, not the ones from the dollar store.

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As far as the youtube thing.....IMO its worth kinda depends on what the people doing it are getting out of it...how they understand what they are doing......IMO for a onlooker to decide if its "good or bad" is almost impossible.

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I can't tell if they are mentally "locked" into a pattern or if they can pull those technqiues out and use them when and where they are needed.

Wish I had a better answer to your question....but I just don't know.

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med, in your opinion, is this good or bad practice? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd5LG2xw-FU

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My unqualified opinion.
Good practice for introducing blocks, stances and punches.I think this is going back to Itosu's ideas of teaching. I think the techniques were hidden in the use of basic blocks.

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Good practice of bad applications? why would you want to develop those habits?

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Bad practice for working out the real applications and use subject to a real fight. Getting around the hidden meanings of blocks. I can see medulants point on skill building.
Shouldnt it be block and simutanously strike?

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It shouldn't be block at all in my opinion. Why would you block that way? Learning seventeen different ways to do the same thing? Everything is a block then?

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I can also see his point on having the ability to break bones using blocks. I have never broken anybodies bones using blocks as blocks but I have damaged a persons forearm tissue using my forearm when intercepting a punch.

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Oh boy. We are a bonebreaking bunch aren't we? At least, theoretically.

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Ditto with the shoulder. Damaged the guys shoulder tissue
but didint break any bones.

I think some one with a higher skill level than mine could achieve breakage in bones.

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Sure, with a bo!

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Soto uke springs to mind. If a persons wrist is grabbed and the elbow area is hammered using soto uke means one damaged elbow.

The knees can be used as blocks. They can also be used as a point to lever an elbow break.

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Is the elbow a bone? Elbow bone??? I thought it was a joint that could be dislocated.

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The top of the head can be used to break the knuckles.

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Oh my. There are a couple of spots on the top of the head you don't want to get hit. Ask any pressure point specialist what will happen. DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!

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So I believe Medulant when he says bones can be broken
using blocks.

Jude

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Yes, but whose bones? Uke or tori?