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#363803 - 10/16/07 03:29 PM Re: Traditional blocks [Re: matxtx]
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Mat,
Hre are a couple examples of of a middle block used differently.
In the first you see the wrap up for the "block" used as a simultainious block strike to the bicep or the attackers jaw. The finish of the "block" is an elbow lever and a simultainious strike to the cartoid artery or jaw. In addition the defensive movement encorporate the natural flinch response of raising both arns together and turning away.

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#363804 - 10/16/07 03:59 PM Re: Traditional blocks [Re: oldman]
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In this example you see the same "block" used against a grab. It uses the exact same movemt/ motion of the arms and turning of the torso. The wrap up is used to off balance the attacker and capture his wrist and simultainously strike the attackers pronated hyperextended elbow. The finish of the "block" uses the lowering of your stance to apply downward and forward pressure driving the opponate down. Both of these variations are easy to train. Just get a buddy and play with them. In addition when you do forms or basics envison these as possible variations of use. It can bring new life to your practice

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#363805 - 10/16/07 07:25 PM Re: Traditional blocks [Re: oldman]
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Or come up underneath and strike/hyperextend the supinated eblow then strike with a back knuckle upwards sort of strike (whatever the hell thats called) to the face and finish with one shot to the crotch.
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#363806 - 10/17/07 05:44 AM Re: Traditional blocks [Re: medulanet]
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I think elbow destruction was part of what I was describing but I would not call that blocking in the way it is taught in Japanese systems at least. I have plenty of time for trapping and controlling with one hand going to hikite and striking to a joint with forearm/hammer fist etc.

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#363807 - 10/17/07 06:10 AM Re: Traditional blocks [Re: shoshinkan]
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Jim,

I am not familiar with the double bone method of blocking-could you point me to where these appear in Shorin kata so I can see examples of what you mean? I am comfortable with flinch reactions and simultaneous receiving/striking from a guard (I like! ) but this is very different from the formal, Japanese block where the arms cross and one hand comes back to the hip as the other goes out, taught as intercepting a fast punch or kick.

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#363808 - 10/17/07 01:59 PM Re: Traditional blocks [Re: Barad]
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Hi Barad,

http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=334

is a good place to start, in the Seito Matsumura kata this method appears often, also with single bone (gaiwan uke) use for different reasons.

Both involve no 'initial pick up/deflection'.

Of course we also have the pick up method (which comes after double bone blocking), a real mix of both ways to be honest.
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#363809 - 10/17/07 02:18 PM Re: Traditional blocks [Re: shoshinkan]
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Interesting, I have not seen this article before. This method is contained in Matsubayshi as well in fact. It is seen in all of our punches in fact. We have a lot of intercepting techniques where we initiate and attack off of an opponent's attack and "intercept" theirs while striking them. In the method a similar type of block is made on the way to caving in your opponent's face. This is also seen in our upper block, which is in fact a strike rather than a block.
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#363810 - 10/17/07 03:25 PM Re: Traditional blocks [Re: medulanet]
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yes I to worked double bone blocking when I trained in Matsubayashi Ryu.

true destructive blocking combined with conditioning is an old method IMO, not really trained to the level where it is as effective as it should be by most.

our dojo does train conditioning for this kind of work, but moderatly, same with hojo undl/makiwara etc etc.

Of course this is just ONE method of many that have their time and place, I think it is a major one however, particulary when working against common methods of assault.
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#363811 - 10/17/07 04:50 PM Re: Traditional blocks [Re: shoshinkan]
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You are right about the conditioning. In fact, in my first dojo our arm training/conditioning was a method of weeding people out. We did it every day we trained and usually we stopped when people could no longer continue due to the pain. These days I take it easy on my students or I probably would not have any (or at least any without broken/severly bruised arms). I usually begin heavy/intensive conditioning of this kind when my students reach green belt. However, forearm/shin conditioning is key to application of much of Shorin Ryu.
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#363812 - 10/17/07 06:39 PM Re: Traditional blocks [Re: medulanet]
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Shin conditioning...
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