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#363072 - 09/27/07 02:45 PM What is most impractical move disallowed in JKD?
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What is most the impractical move that should be disallowed in JKD? JKD is a bout efficiency so what move do you find most impractical.

The hip butt or the shoulder stroke or the instep stomp or finger strikes to throat (I like this one)? How about the palm strike to the liver?

What about trapping both hands in classical WC? What about the twisting kneeling dances of Silat (I know there guillotine like knees to a downed opponent)? What about lapel chokes? What about the stomach throw? How about the reverse punch or right cross?

What do you think should be thrown away? JKD being a philosophy, if a technique doesn't work for you should you teach it to others?


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#363073 - 09/27/07 04:19 PM Re: What is most impractical move disallowed in JKD? [Re: Neko456]
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How about everything you said!

Bil Gee to the throat....never heard of that one before!!
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#363074 - 09/27/07 04:59 PM Re: What is most impractical move disallowed in JKD? [Re: Totality]
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You don't use head butts, shoulder strokes or instep stomps? You don't finger strike to the throat? So do you train gloves all the time?

How open minded are you in your JKD?
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#363075 - 09/27/07 05:21 PM Re: What is most impractical move disallowed in JK [Re: Neko456]
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You throw out whatever cannot be effectively pulled off, alive, against resisting partners/opponents - for the most part.

And thats a ton of crap. Almost too much to get into a discussion about. Silat - gone. Wing chun - gone.


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#363076 - 09/27/07 05:48 PM Re: What is most impractical move disallowed in JKD? [Re: Neko456]
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Impractical is a temporary, personal concept. And as a result, you could throw out everything or nothing. Depends on the person and the situation.
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#363077 - 09/27/07 06:34 PM Re: What is most impractical move disallowed in JKD? [Re: Neko456]
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Quote:

You don't use head butts, shoulder strokes or instep stomps? You don't finger strike to the throat? So do you train gloves all the time?

How open minded are you in your JKD?




I am very open minded thank you.

You never said anything about 'head butt' in your first post.

Of coarse I would use a head butt if I lost control of the 'distance'. However I train to control 'Timing, Distance & Rhythm' so I have never had to use a head butt, but I would never rule it out.

Shoulder strokes...still no!

Instep stomp....Oblique kicks you mean? If so, no, a stop kick works just fine (again controlling distance remember) also all my kicks are stomps!

"Finger strikes to the throat"...If I was to strike the throat it would be from an angle with a knife hand or hammer fist. If I was in front of you why would I use a 'Finger strike', "Darting fingers' (Bil Gee) to the throat when I could use it to your eyes?

I thought you asked a question about efficiency? Sorry maybe I read the question wrong.

"Gloves"...sometimes MMA gloves, but I like to train sensitivity so I use gloves as little as possible!

JKD...isn't that what Bruce Lee did?? I don't call what I do JKD. I use the same 'Universal Principles and Strategies' however.

IMO of coarse.

Thanks,
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#363078 - 09/28/07 12:46 AM Re: What is most impractical move disallowed in JK [Re: Totality]
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I have to agree with MattJ
what is effective changes from person to person. A technique might work for A and not B.
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#363079 - 09/28/07 08:53 AM Re: What is most impractical move disallowed in JK [Re: IExcalibui2]
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Totality you are right I didn't mention head butt it was hip butt, that you find no use for. What about in your throws or off balancing, inside do you use all muscle?

No I wasn't just talking about the Oblique kick, I was talking about the instep as the target, with any heel kick.

Eye with fingers work, but throat with fingers work too, if he think its the eyes you are going for. Which efficient because it can go through a much smaller opening where as the knife/hammer hand can not.

I'm talking JKD as a wide open philosophy thats put in motion. Everybodies going to be different.

Mattj & IExcalibui2 would you teach a range of technique so the that the pupil can experiment with his selection or would U only teach what works for you? Granted each would perferr different tools based on their body type or comfort level as Tot mentioned he likes distance and obviously not comfortable at grappling range.


Edited by Neko456 (09/28/07 08:55 AM)
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#363080 - 09/28/07 02:55 PM Re: What is most impractical move disallowed in JK [Re: Neko456]
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Totality you are right I didn't mention head butt it was hip butt, that you find no use for. What about in your throws or off balancing, inside do you use all muscle?

No I wasn't just talking about the Oblique kick, I was talking about the instep as the target, with any heel kick.

Eye with fingers work, but throat with fingers work too, if he think its the eyes you are going for. Which efficient because it can go through a much smaller opening where as the knife/hammer hand can not.

I'm talking JKD as a wide open philosophy thats put in motion. Everybodies going to be different.

Mattj & IExcalibui2 would you teach a range of technique so the that the pupil can experiment with his selection or would U only teach what works for you? Granted each would perferr different tools based on their body type or comfort level as Tot mentioned he likes distance and obviously not comfortable at grappling range.




I use 'body connective' or 'proper structure' with anything I do. I am 155lbs and have never mixed it up with anyone under 190lbs (sparring or other wise), so engaging my muscles will only put me at a disadvantage with someone stronger.

Since I have left Karate I have never thrown anyone, sweeps yes.

Off balancing is pretty simple with ABD so again I have never had to use it in the context your asking.

I am still not clear on the kick you are talking about, but like I said earlier, all my kicks are a stomp.

As for the Bil Gee to the throat, I never said it wouldn't work, but that 'I' don't use it. If I was going to strike the throat from straight on I would use a half knuckle strike which is much stronger than a Bil Gee. If I am doing a Bil Gee it is already coming at the throat in order to draw my opponents hands down to protect then vectors to the eyes.

If my opponent thinks I am going to the eyes than I made him think that and I am probably going no where near his face...lol If I ever fight close and I mean close enough where I can use hips and shoulders than 'I' would probably use 'Poison Hand' on his face and just end things right there.

I am only answering the questions you asked. I am not disagreeing with you, but rather sharing what I would do and how I would do it. In all honesty I would do and use whatever I needed to, to survive!

But that makes for a boring conversation...lol!!

Peace,
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#363081 - 09/28/07 04:54 PM Re: What is most impractical move disallowed in JK [Re: JKogas]
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Is anything left of the base core of JKD which under Lee was Wing-Chun. Under Guru Dan Kali/escrima what is difference in the type trapping method, I see very little.

Jkogas so you've gotten rid of all the WC in your JKD? Its your proragotive but WC gone completely and Silat?
So if it doesn't work for you, you don't teach it, even though it may work for someone else, Live and resisting? Just asking if you have a universal body type?

T we disagree on little just what, when and how? As you mentioned whatever works, but you don't throw anymore, EVER?
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