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#361714 - 09/19/07 01:40 PM Vintage Ed Parker AKK videos
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#361715 - 09/19/07 06:53 PM Re: Vintage Ed Parker AKK videos [Re: MattJ]
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Wow, Matt, it's amazing how different the techniques He used back then are from what we are taught today. I recognized most of what he did though.

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#361716 - 09/24/07 01:20 PM Re: Vintage Ed Parker AKK videos [Re: MattJ]
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What those videos show is Master Ed Parker development and his system in the infant stage. As he matured his showmanship and professionalism was horned. In the video with the late actor he corrected him without embarassing him or hurting him, showing why and how he became so popular with the Hollywood set.

I like looking at the old vs. past-present, it shows how far they have come and where he began. You can definitely see Prof. Chows and Prof. Emperado's in his system. Personally I don't see a lot of Master's Mitose movement in Parkers system.

Parker was ahead of his time and true Martial art Pioneer.
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#361717 - 09/24/07 03:08 PM Re: Vintage Ed Parker AKK videos [Re: Neko456]
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You can definitely see Prof. Chows and Prof. Emperado's in his system. Personally I don't see a lot of Master's Mitose movement in Parkers system.




Interesting comment. I certainly agree with you about the Chow influence - Parker openly copied much of Chow's style of movement. Mitose? Good question. Does anyone have any video of Mitose actually doing anything? I've never seen any, and wouldn't be able to make a comparison between him and Parker.
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#361718 - 09/24/07 03:34 PM Re: Vintage Ed Parker AKK videos [Re: MattJ]
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What I never understood was why nearly every joint strike was considered a "bone-breaker". Fact is that it takes ALOT of force to break a bone/joint. I think this assumption betrays a lack of knowledge of anatomy & physics.

I grant you that EP was fast but I never saw any impact in the strikes. BTW, his fronk kick looks like a beginner's. Could EP hurt you? Probably, but it looks more flash than function. Especially when each series of techniques ends w/ EP backing away in stance, aparently ready for the opponent to get up to get another azz-whoopin'.

Not meaning to purposely PO any AKK followers but I considered making this comment for a couple of days.

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#361719 - 09/24/07 05:01 PM Re: Vintage Ed Parker AKK videos [Re: hedkikr]
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What I never understood was why nearly every joint strike was considered a "bone-breaker". Fact is that it takes ALOT of force to break a bone/joint. I think this assumption betrays a lack of knowledge of anatomy & physics.




So.....other styles do not consider joint strikes to be "bone breakers"? Isn't that what they are supposed to do? You must be kidding about about Ed Parker not understanding physics, right?

*MattJ had his elbow broken in class by a "bone breaking joint strike", BTW.

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I grant you that EP was fast but I never saw any impact in the strikes.




Again, you are kidding, right? Have you ever been hit by him? Talk to anyone that went to one of his seminars.

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BTW, his fronk kick looks like a beginner's.




While he was no Hee Il Cho, I thought he could kick OK for a big guy (back in the day). Not sure what you were expecting - AKK is not TKD.

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but it looks more flash than function. Especially when each series of techniques ends w/ EP backing away in stance, aparently ready for the opponent to get up to get another azz-whoopin'.




Yes, I thought the "cross over and cover-out" on every technique (taught that way in class, BTW), was silly, too.
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#361720 - 09/24/07 05:24 PM Re: Vintage Ed Parker AKK videos [Re: MattJ]
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Ed Kicks have the snap (thats hard to catch) in them that self defense kick need in them, most Kenpo guys don't kick high but the do kick hard and they don't waste motion in between hand delievery. The kicks work smoothly into their continued hand strike not wasting a lot time re-cocking. Now some that cross trained can kick pretty good, but their roots is the streets. As he fine tuned his system the high knee cocks fade to low knee for smoother hand transistions.

Ed and most martial arts instructor probably referred to the technique as bone breakers because thats how it was explained to them, back then you didn't questioned you just did. These techniques could break your arm but really in a encounter wheather it broke the arm, magiled it or just torn the ligaments it doesn't matter he can't use it or use it like he use to its a damaged limb. Might as well be broke these guys were fighters not doctors.

Not may people have seen Master Mitose performing his system. But look at Profs. Chows pupils, Ed Parkers students, and down the line you see them in their students.

The same can be said of Mitose system in the Tracy group and his Head pupil Bruce something, the tall heavyset guy. Forgive Master Bruce, I'm at work and I gotten a Brain freeze that happens when you get older, multi-tasking starts to fade.


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#361721 - 09/24/07 05:47 PM Re: Vintage Ed Parker AKK videos [Re: Neko456]
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Matt, don't forget that the purpose of the cross-out is to be prepared. You never know, he might have had a buddy who just saw the fight.

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#361722 - 09/25/07 01:47 AM Re: Vintage Ed Parker AKK videos [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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I'm familiar w/ impact & whenever I see an AKK demo, I see a lot of fast & fancy techniques w/ the assumption that each strike is a crippler.

I've trained w/ AKK guys who claimed the little punches & kicks were more devastating than they look only because they didn't want to hurt me.

I watched that vintage film actually hoping to see something different but sadly enough I didn't.

...and no, I was never hit by EP. But I was hit by Lionel Marinus & Chris Thompson (holding an impact pad) that shook my fillings. That was impact!

BTW, I don't expect anyone to know those 2 gents...

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#361723 - 09/25/07 05:59 AM Re: Vintage Ed Parker AKK videos [Re: hedkikr]
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I'm familiar w/ impact & whenever I see an AKK demo, I see a lot of fast & fancy techniques w/ the assumption that each strike is a crippler.




Ed......woof.

The only one making that assumption is you. Anyone who has studied AKK for any length of time is familiar with the concept of "major" (damaging/KO) strikes and "minor" (set-up or distraction) strikes. This is not a secret, and Mr Parker wrote about this in his books.

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I've trained w/ AKK guys who claimed the little punches & kicks were more devastating than they look only because they didn't want to hurt me.




Then you haven't trained with any good AKK people. No one with any experience in the art is going to make that claim, becasue it's not true. Kenpo is more closely related to boxing in the sense that it is a multi-strike, combination style that does NOT rely on one-punch-KO power strikes. This is not a flaw of the system - it was how it was designed from the beginning. Whether you disagree with that philosophy or not.
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