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#361568 - 09/18/07 11:27 PM
Dojo's in my area
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Registered: 11/04/05
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Loc: Northwest Arkansas
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Here is one http://www.mid-americakarate.com/ Tang soo do I am starting my son in a formal class of some sort. At six years old I don't think the self defense aspect comes into play much. I know what to look for, but I'd like your input. He needs something to put his mind and body into. I don't get to spend much time with him so I thought this would help us bond more. He is very interested in doing karate.I could teach him,but I think he needs to learn with other kids. Here's another... http://www.cornerstonekarate.net/ Shotokan, not much info from their website. I contacted them by phone and spoke with the instructor. http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0ge...mp;fr=yfp-t-501 and http://www.acmalowell.com/ Kenpo. http://www.kuksoolwon-rogers.com/ There are more,but some don't have websites. I'll check those out personally. Your input is appreciated!!
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#361569 - 09/18/07 11:48 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: BrianS]
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Enigma
Registered: 08/26/04
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Those are mostly Korean arts.
However websites are places where a picture does not equal a 1000 words.
My general take is whatever you enrol him in, it must be something you know something about and can discuss with him in detail and show him something relevant to what he is getting from his formal instructor. The worst that can happen is for him to learn something in class and you couldn't help him with it or show him something different from his class work and he feels confused and either disbelieve you or thinks the instructor is useless. Your background is karate and those schools are Korean.
Another point is at 6, fun is the only element of interest, the serious stuff can come later, if at all.
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#361572 - 09/19/07 01:56 AM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: BrianS]
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Brian at 6 the little one should be doing judo..........
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#361573 - 09/19/07 02:10 AM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: shoshinkan]
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Why do you think that Jim?
Because wrestling is more natural?
There is a Landolt jujitsu academy near here too.
As far as the Malmo place goes, it looks like the guy has been training for fifteen years in about six or seven different styles. I wonder how adept he could be at any one of them. I alos wonder since he teaches groundfighting and kata if one comes from the other,lol.
Edited by BrianS (09/19/07 02:32 AM)
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#361574 - 09/19/07 03:23 AM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: BrianS]
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Registered: 05/10/05
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Loc: UK
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for under 12's I simply recomend Judo as it is a very organised combat sport in the UK, really set up well for kids.
I also feel that a few years in Judo does wonders for core stability, strength and timing, also working the grappling range keeps youngsters away from striking as a major option in self defence.
also I see ALOT of karate taught bad to kids, lots of marching, hitting the air (not so good for the joints) and and screaming (not so good for the ears!).
Just my perspective and of course it's in no way definitive.
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#361575 - 09/19/07 03:50 AM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: shoshinkan]
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Brian at 6 the little one should be doing judo..........
Have to agree here. In my experience, kids love Judo. Kids, especially boys, are going to wrestle anyway. May as well do it in a controlled, safe way.
Every Judo club I have been to always had a huge number of kids... beyond the "norm" of what I seen in other Martial arts classes.
As Judo is usually Randori based, and the kata that is taught is always done with a partner, kids are less likely to lose focus when compared to doing solo kata/forms found in other martial arts IMHO. I've seen many a child turn and start talking to the person next to them during solo forums or start monkeying about because they are restless.
This is just my experience. Ju Jitsu might be a bit formal, and it is hard to find good Ju Jitsu in the Western World in my experience.
http://www.judoinfo.com/contacts/browse2.php?Country=United%20States&State=Missouri
http://www.judoinfo.com/contacts/browse2.php?Country=United%20States&State=Missouri
There are some Judo clubs listed here that are close to you I believe.
Only other advise I would give is stuff you know yourself: See what he likes best.
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#361576 - 09/19/07 08:25 AM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: BrianS]
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I'll dogpile the Judo bandwagon. Better workout with more functional skill (for that age), and probably safer, too. Check it out and let us know what you think. 
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#361577 - 09/19/07 09:27 AM
Re: Dojo's in my area
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Those Judo places are too far from me,but there is one in Springdale. I have contacted them an I'll see what happens.
Thanks all!!
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#361578 - 09/19/07 10:44 AM
Re: Dojo's in my area
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Those Judo places are too far from me,but there is one in Springdale. I have contacted them an I'll see what happens.
Thanks all!!
Sorry Brian meant to post this link, http://www.judoinfo.com/contacts/browse2.php?Country=United%20States&State=Arkansas
I did the MO link twice by mistake. Think the AR link has the Springdale dojo.
Good Luck.
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#361579 - 09/19/07 11:07 AM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: BrianS]
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I've been down this road with my 10 year old daughter who one day came up to me and said "daddy I want to learn karate like you". I know myself (and was afraid of becoming one of those [censored] soccor dads you see yelling from the sideline) and knew that I had to find her another instructor. My base style and rand are in Isshinryu but I've trained in many other arts (and don't believe in "punch, block, kick") so I knew what I was looking for. I've taught many children (when I had my own school) and realized, like you, that I didn't want her karate to become a "thing" between us. I wanted it to be a fun activity to do together (like playing catch) not work. So I found an instructor I liked who's training, techniques and philosophy was similar to my own. She went there, leaned basic kihon and kata and it was fine ... for a while. When the chief instrucutor left and the curriculum changed I moved her to another school. She was there for 3 years, reached 2nd brown and now has moved to a another larger dojo that can channel her love for the arts and competition (she loves to spar and compete) more effectively.
A number of my Black Belt friends advised against this latest move because "she should stay where she is until she gets her black belt" then she can moved somewhere else. I don't buy into this argument and fortunately she was willing to start back out at white belt at the new school.The move (7 weeks ago) has been awesome. She loves the school, instructor and students. She also was promoted up 5 belt levels after the two head instructors watched and worked with her for 6 weeks. This was unexpected and never asked for but she (and I) are very proud.
Anyway, this is a long rambling way of saying use your experience (you said you have a MA backround), your gut and your observational skills (go watch the classes in the school and meet & review the instructors) to find the best school. If it means driving 25 or 30 minutes (one way) to get to the right school isn't your kid worth it? If it's that far don't go 4 days a week. Go 2 or 3 and have a "home dojo day" that you schedule each week.
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#361580 - 09/19/07 11:18 AM
Re: Dojo's in my area
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Good post, fastfist1.
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#361581 - 09/19/07 02:25 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
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fastfist, That was a good post,but I resent a couple of things you said. Quote:
If it means driving 25 or 30 minutes (one way) to get to the right school isn't your kid worth it? If it's that far don't go 4 days a week. Go 2 or 3 and have a "home dojo day" that you schedule each week.
The dojo in question is in Missouri, I live in Northwest AR. it is over six hours away. The one in Springdale would be a thirty minute one way trip. This on top of me leaving work and returning later to work late. So yes, ofcourse he is worth it.
Thanks for your advice and welcome to the forums.
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#361582 - 09/19/07 02:53 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: BrianS]
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Registered: 09/19/07
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Why do you think that Jim?
Because wrestling is more natural?
There is a Landolt jujitsu academy near here too.
As far as the Malmo place goes, it looks like the guy has been training for fifteen years in about six or seven different styles. I wonder how adept he could be at any one of them. I alos wonder since he teaches groundfighting and kata if one comes from the other,lol.
If you are considering anyone affiliated with Landolt, you need to do more research.
I am Mr. Malmo of Malmo Martial Arts. I have been training in the martial arts for 28 years, and have been teaching for fifteen years. I have studied with and am certified by some of the greatest Grandmasters alive.
My skill and knowledge speaks for itself.
Kata is a Japanese term - I do not teach a Japanese system.
Grappling is a huge plus for any child. ALL martial arts must be felt to be understood and appreciated. If you want your child to learn ritualized movements created by men who are long dead, then our school is not for you. If you want your child to learn true martial arts, then please feel free to contact us.
Mr. Malmo, welcome to the forum. I edited your comments regarding the other school owner as I have know way of verifying their accuracy at this time. I hope you understand.
oldman
Edited by oldman (09/19/07 03:37 PM)
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#361583 - 09/19/07 02:56 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: BrianS]
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Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 12
Loc: Illinois - USA
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BrianS-
I absolutely didn't mean to insult you about the travel. That statement was actually generated as I thought about how I had to sell my wife on the 30 minute ride we endured 3 times a week for 3 years. So I've "walked the walk" with you. Fortunately the current school is only 10 minutes away and I feel like we are living large.
Good Luck!
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#361584 - 09/19/07 03:07 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: Malmo]
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Registered: 07/31/04
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Loc: Amherst, MA
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Welcome to the forums, Mr.Malmo. And for a little history on Mr. Landolt. I did check out your site...but it is incomplete. Will you be finishing the history or lineage sections soon?
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#361585 - 09/19/07 03:16 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: Malmo]
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Mr Malmo-
Wow! You may indeed be all that. However, as a "kata guy" myself (like BrianS), there is much more to kata than just movements some dead guy put together to teach/practice punches and kicks. I've studied BJJ, Aikido, Small Circle Jujitsu & PP Fighting. And there are many (undoubtably tons more than I even see) of applications used in those arts that are contained in kata movement(s).
Dismissing something (Karate, Kung Fu, kata etc.) that has been proven valuable and effective over thousands of years and in many cultures so easily ... makes one (me particularly) question your perspective and knowledge base.
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#361586 - 09/19/07 03:17 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: BrianS]
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hear that Brian? "TRUE martial arts"  I'll 2nd the recommendation to Judo. my kids do Aikido and love it. They weren't looking for 'true' martial arts per se, they wanted to throw each other around without the multi-color belt and tournament pursuit nonsense.
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#361587 - 09/19/07 03:26 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
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I have been facing the dame dilema Brian. And I was told by someone, not of this forum to try judo. Because like someone said it is what kids like to do. :-) ANd thanks to your thread I found a judo school, really close. http://www.kids-judo.com/ourdojo.htmOh and "true martial arts" what does that exactly mean?
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#361588 - 09/19/07 03:30 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: BrianS]
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Interesting idea, the judo. Makes a lot of sense. I think the sacrifice to get into the "right" school is a tiny bit premature at 6. I'd want mine getting into a reasonably decent program that's close, to clarify that this is a deep desire that has some committment to it. I didn't start MA till I was in my late forties. So I figure a kid at six has a few months that can be spared just seeing if this MA stuff is real deal for them. 
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#361589 - 09/19/07 03:41 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: JasonM]
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True martial arts explores all aspects that are involved in the exploration of the arts. It does not confine itself to one subset of ideas or techniques - ie kicking, grappling, kata. It explores all areas including weaponry, medicine, healing...
As for kata, I did not dismiss it. I stated that we are not a Japanese school. A simple oversite when reading a post is what leads to confusion.
Forms of any kind should be alive and ever changing. To force yourself to repeat the exact same movements without consideration of energy and the impossible task of performing the exact same punch over and over limits yourself to what I described. Absolutely, the applications of all martial arts are found in forms, but it is because it is found in movement and applied through feeling.
As for lineage, the two men whom I consider my greatest teachers are Grandmaster Ernesto A. Presas and Uncle Willem de Thouars.
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#361590 - 09/19/07 03:49 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: Malmo]
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#361591 - 09/19/07 03:53 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: BrianS]
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Loc: Midwest City, Ok, USA
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I like Joss's idea and I'll add take him around to different dojos have him look at the program maybe take the free course then decided at the end of your survey which he likes. Usually the class he likes is the one he'll committ to. You use your MA experience to judge was it a good MA class? or a fun class? or had cute little girls in it?
The idea that Judo is safer and that it has two men routines/katas makes alot of sense. Wrestling would be a program thats also has alot of two men drills with more of western flair without a Gi. Judo does have a safety factor and teaches dojo ethics.
The tumbling and breakfalls are a favorite of kids but of course most Karate or self defense programs offer this now.
Of course good Karate does teach how not to get punched in the face, so does Judo but you lose the saftey factor.
All the Marital Arts are good but Which does he want to committ to? If he doesn't like it Even THE TRUE MARTIAL ARTS that MR. MALMO (U did this to yourself Mr.M), mentioned he won't stay with.
Edited by Neko456 (09/19/07 03:56 PM)
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#361592 - 09/19/07 03:59 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
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#361593 - 09/19/07 04:56 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
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In regards to Mr. Malmo--off his website. "World Head of Family Sokeship Council." Wow.........  Also not sure that I would be so quick to point out that I have taught "3 year olds" in my classes......I suppose that one is never too young to start learning.....but still--3 years old? Also was not aware that either Kun Tao or Pencak Silat used the Japanese kyu/dan ranking system--weird. Plus......to quote: "Holds certification to teach 2 DOZEN SEPERATE (emp mine) martial arts styles." 24 SEPERATE MARTIAL ARTS SYSTEMS---and good enough to teach ALL of them. Wow.......again, Lets work the math a bit. There are 24 hours in a day---8 of which you spend working, or at school, then you factor in sleep--lets say 6 hours, another 1 total either eating or having a lunch break etc. So out of 24 hours you have what 9 hours at best to train in a given day-assuming that nothing else gets in the way/comes up and you train non-stop. (from the there its pretty easy math on terms of years and decades) So a given person has mastered--to the point of being able to teach--"two dozen seperate martial arts." Add in that by traditioanl standards it might take 14 years or so to reach the rank of 4th degree in ONE system. What would it take to learn "2 dozen SEPERATE" systems? I don't know......something is not adding up here.
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#361594 - 09/19/07 05:51 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: Malmo]
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Hello Mr.Malmo. Thanks for visiting our site. After viewing your posts I have decided not to even check out your school. You have made my mind up for me, I'm not impressed. Instead of just stating what you do, you decided to badmouth another school's reputation however true it may be. I am completely capable and knowledgeable enough to know what kata is and isn't and what it takes to have a complete system. I feel what I do is complete(excluding weapons). We just don't have a kids program. Your view is clear. Thankyou for your time. Anyway......I have not heard back from the Judo place after emailing him, maybe he closed up shop??? Here is another place. http://www.dynamickarateacademy.com/style_history.aspx What do you guys think? I think Butterflypalm was right. I need something I can relate to and help him work with. Thanks guys!!
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#361595 - 09/19/07 06:06 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
[Re: BrianS]
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I agree with Butterflypalm's assessment. The schools where my daughter goes/went have the same basic basic tenants, kihon, and body mechanics that I adhere to. So, when she was 6, and even now I can explain why and how to do something in a way that, while different from her instructors explaination, still points her in the same direction. And actually she generally hears the same (almost verbatim) decriptions and phrases from me that she hears in class.
It's been a great way to have special time with her for almost 5 years and I'm sure you will get the same gratification with your son.
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#361596 - 09/19/07 06:22 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
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So.....fastfist1 and Brian hate judo. Check. HATERS! HATERS!!!! 
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#361597 - 09/19/07 06:24 PM
Re: Dojo's in my area
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Fastfist, Thanks for the input and sorry for the misunderstanding.  Matt, No,but Kempo sucks. 
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#361598 - 09/20/07 06:23 AM
Re: Dojo's in my area
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Brian
Sent you a PM about this.
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#361599 - 09/21/07 09:56 AM
Re: Judo or not?
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Thanks Prizewriter for the info. I got this reply today. Quote:
6 years old can work, especially if he’s good at listening. My daughter is 5, turning 6 in a few weeks and she enjoys it. I’d ask that you either join us on the Mat (Fun for you, too) OR stay and watch. Children often need help, and I’m there to teach the class. When I help, I mean tying their belt and / or going to the bathroom. Here’s some info:
We are working out at the Jones Family Center . Class is a mix of beginners and people who gave up some years ago. We have both Juniors and Seniors.
Class is Wednesday from 6 to 8 and Saturday from 11 to 1.
Cost: FREE. You do need to join the USJA ($40 per person or family membership). Everyone must have a Gi (uniform). I can get you wholesale prices ($40 to $80 or more, depending on quality). Finally, you need to sign up with the Jones Center , which is free. I can review gi options if you like. Why don't you stop by tomorrow to see what it's like. Bring workout cloths if you don't have an old Gi.
FYI, here's text I sent Judoka a few weeks ago on how to register:
When: Classes begin Sept 5. They will be Wednesday 6 to 8 and Saturday 11 to 1. You do not have to be at both classes, though you will learn quicker if you are.
Where: The Jones Center for Families, 922 East Emma Ave. Springdale , AR 72765
Cost: FREE. You need to be a member of the USJA and own a Gi (uniform). I can help you with both. Cost for Membership is $25 for a year if you do it quickly! After that it goes up to $40. Price for a gi is around $40.
Who: Everyone. Beginners, Advanced, Juniors, Seniors, Masters.
Register with the Jones Center : Call (479) 756-8090 Ex 212. Ask to register for Judo.
USJA Membership: Please register ASAP. You can do this on line at http://usja-judo.org/. Please e-mail me once you have. If you have any problems or need help, please contact me.
Sounds really good! I'll check it out tomorrow.
Edited by BrianS (09/21/07 07:49 PM)
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#361600 - 09/22/07 01:02 AM
Re: Judo or not?
[Re: BrianS]
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Go for it. But don't forget to sometimes build up a little "father-son" relationship when it comes to MA. Teach him a bit of krotty when you got some time Can't wait 'till I get my own kid. We'll be roudhouse kicking day in day out. BKK lamp-posts beware! Taison shall be there! -Taison out
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#361601 - 09/22/07 02:49 PM
Re: Judo , yep!!!
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I met with the instructor today, very nice man. I think my son and I are going to have a great time!! I'll keep you guys updated. First class in wednesday 6-8,can't wait!! B 
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#361602 - 09/30/07 03:49 PM
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Hope all goes well!
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#361603 - 10/01/07 11:07 PM
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After two classes I am enjoying myself immensely. We went directly into the "good stuff".
Plenty of ne waza at the end of each class too.
My sensei thinks I use to wrestle,lol.
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#361604 - 10/01/07 11:48 PM
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No just tell him its Bunkai. I am glad you like it and if you son likes it that's great too. And you aren't just learning break falling big plus in my book.
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#361606 - 10/02/07 09:15 AM
Re: Judo , yep!!!
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Probably a good idea. Some ppl let their ego's get in the way of training. I did that once to an instructor and got control on the ground. It affected his ego so much that I got kicked out of the school. :-O
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#361607 - 10/02/07 12:57 PM
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Yeah the Bunkai thing was a joke. Is it a kids and adult class together or separate?
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#361609 - 10/02/07 01:43 PM
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Hey Brian,
I am sorry if I missed it somewhere. But is it the Judo school the one you decided to go with?
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