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#360698 - 02/05/08 06:01 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: Mr_Davies_VA]
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I think Mr Davies and Shantungbs probably spend their time training in arts that are "too deadly" to compete with, would I be right?

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#360699 - 02/05/08 11:17 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: JKogas]
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I think Mr Davies and Shantungbs probably spend their time training in arts that are "too deadly" to compete with, would I be right?




Absolutely!

Afterall, there's no way Randy Couture could ever pull off an eye poke or testicle squeeze.
Endless and stupid.


Hey John, Didn't you do some Krav a while back?


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#360700 - 02/05/08 11:58 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: shantungks]
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It seems to me we got a little off topic. Not sure how fighting for your life is an MMA setting.

Davie, welcome to the forums and if you mind mind please introduce yourself int he beginners forum.

Thanks,
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#360701 - 02/19/08 08:22 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: JasonM]
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this is my first post but i've been doing krav maga for several years and i plan to try an mma fight soon, krav maga is a bit more simplified than arts like muay thai but it can be equally as effective. i've known about 5 krav maga students that have competed in local mma matches and all but one of them won their bouts.

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#360702 - 05/06/08 04:28 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: JasonM]
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Totaly right man , how can it not be workable in mma as it is basically jkd, call it what you like, all the moves are from some other art, its just well marketed, any one with a few dollars and a good business head can sell most things.

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#360703 - 05/07/08 05:38 AM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: JKogas]
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If someone decides to fight a guy wielding a knife and gets cut, what's to comment on? The only decision should have been NOT to engage.

The fact that he only got cut eight times would to me seem like a victory, but I can't comment on this because I've not seen it. Provide a link perhaps?

Question for you though Kimo, what "should" he have done?




Yep good question. So what should he have done?
He could have run ( ditto sprint training in martial arts)
So could the guy with the weapon.
So what could the guy have done if he had no choice but to stay.?
Look for some kind of weapon to use against the attacker?
No weapon then what?

Interesting why it wasnt answered. I would like to see the answer. Anybody?

Jude

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#360704 - 05/07/08 11:40 AM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: jude33]
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Interesting why it wasnt answered




The only reason I didn't answer is I don't recall seeing the question.

I don't want to get into a long knife defense post on a Krav in the MMA thread, but here is what I saw.

His first move was not terrible, thrust kick to jam the attacker, but then he engaged when he should have created distance, maybe step offline and make the attacker chase him.

Using his ability as a fighter he should have been able to force the knife to his opposite side, creating extra distance until hopefully the attacker made a mistake and he could escape or control the blade etc.

Odds are very high the attacker will attack with the blade, not a jab or a kick, so at least he knows what is coming, use that and control space and hope for the best
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#360705 - 05/08/08 11:16 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: Kimo2007]
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What is interesting is that in the shots where Chambers demonstrates his "poor fighting ability" against a role player trying to show him up, a suggestion is made to use their system's techniques. Once he uses their techniques, the role player plays along.

Makes for an interesting session that was rigged from the start.
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#360706 - 05/08/08 11:40 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: Fletch1]
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Makes for an interesting session that was rigged from the start.




Well, I can't disagree with you, maybe tyhe reality is that Jason just played his part and let himself get stabbed because it was in the script.

But for sake of the thread I assumed he was trying to defend himself.
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#360707 - 05/12/08 03:17 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: Kimo2007]
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Quote:

Quote:

Makes for an interesting session that was rigged from the start.




Well, I can't disagree with you, maybe tyhe reality is that Jason just played his part and let himself get stabbed because it was in the script.

But for sake of the thread I assumed he was trying to defend himself.




The point is that when he used what they were showing him, they stopped resisting. His choice would not have likely been to stay and use his skills rather than run but that was the only option given to him in the drill. They wanted to make a point but it backfired. The tactics that they practiced were no more effective but the uke went along with it to sell the material. This instills the mindset that with "their material" it's ok to stay and mix it up unarmed against a knife "because you are trained".

Rigged, not because he got mauled by the attacker, but because it was all part of a plan to show him up and then drop the aggression once he was using their stuff. Beat on him all you want as far as I am concerned... just be honest about it.
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