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#360688 - 09/17/07 09:29 AM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: oldman]
JasonM Offline
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You can check out the krav clips and about Jason and his partner here..

http://www.history.com/minisites/humanweapon

I can't view youtube from work so I am sorry if the youtube vids are the same as on the human weapon website.

- Jason
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#360689 - 09/17/07 04:11 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: JasonM]
Kimo2007 Offline
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The scene Oldman posted is what I referencing, except a few seconds later the Krav guys swears at the two of them.

Basically Jason fought as he trained, he was using clinch technique for self defense, which is crazy IMO.
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#360690 - 09/17/07 07:00 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: Kimo2007]
JKogas Offline
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I don't know how Jason trains. I'd be willing to be you don't either Kimo. That would require spending a year and day training with him.

That you haven't seen the clinch used effectively for self defense isn't a surprise to me. That's not a slam on you. It's just that so few seem to understand effective clinching -- even many alleged "MMA" people.

Remember Kimo, MMA is not a style. There is no uniform curriculum. It is only a method of training.


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#360691 - 09/17/07 08:11 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: JKogas]
shoveldog Offline
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Remember your own advice, there, John: Sometimes it's best not to engage. This thread started out with an inquiry about whether krav maga techniques would work in MMA, but Kimo's twisted it into a discussion about whether MMA training will prepare you for a knife attack.

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#360692 - 09/17/07 08:57 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: shoveldog]
JKogas Offline
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Correct Shoveldog. I wouldn't engage a NINE year old with a knife.

As you know however, we DO train a counter knife program called Red Zone as well as the S.T.A.B. program, both of which involve the Russian two-on-one. Thus...the clinch.

And you know man, I've come to realize that so few people really understand what the clinch is. They tend to automatically assume that it's just some random grabbing and hugging, which couldn't be further from the truth. The problem is, the limitation of this medium makes it difficult to fully explain it. You know how it is....I know what it is that I'm trying to explain...but getting it across to others is where it often fails. That's why it has to be seen and experienced.

But you're right. Why on EARTH would I engage a crazy person with a knife. I've got feet for running.

By the way, that clip of Jason clinching in that segment was horrible. There was no control over the arm, no head position, no pressure. Nothing that constitutes a good clinch was present. And what happens is, people use that particular example as the clinch exemplified, then use that example to slam "the clinch" overall. Classic strawman argument.


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#360693 - 09/17/07 10:11 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: JKogas]
shoveldog Offline
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My post wasn't exactly clear, but I wasn't even talking about the knife; my intended point was that there was no need to engage the strawman argument.

Speaking of knives, don't get me started. My forearms are still bruised from Mr. Tomko's demonstrations back in March.

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#360694 - 09/18/07 06:59 AM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: shoveldog]
JKogas Offline
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You're right Lee, no doubt.

As for the knife work that we did...the recent stick training we did wasn't much better--particularly when the butt of the damned things ends up jammed into your carotid artery. But that's another story for another time.

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#360695 - 11/03/07 11:04 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: JKogas]
shantungks Offline
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Registered: 05/26/07
Posts: 38
Hahahaha!!
Love reading this deal!!
Well for one unless you know what is like to fight for your life than one can say if MMA works or not in the street. Does Krav Maga work?? Well depends how you train!!!!! How you train that is how you fight!!!!!!! If you train to jab at the nose when attack that is what you will do. Is call proprioception. If you train that your first respond is to injure the oponents eyes or tear the testicles off, then your hand will reach it's goal. Someone swings, you close the distance inmediately and your fingers go for the eyes!! If you have been training over and over to close the distance this is what you will do in a real attack! Some is already part of your natural response to any attack.

Proprioception!!!!!!!!! Yes an MMA guy can learn how to snap and kill someone immediately if that is how he trains but might have to learn to control that area if he is to fight in the ring. This can cause havoc when he has to fight in the ring. Now he has to think.

True and old and effective Krav Maga teaches you to injured your opponent inmediately. Shots to joints, neck region, groin, eys, etc. Only the military guys get train to kill as a first response! Why? because of proprioception. Yes you do get train to kill but after a few years. Well if it's a civilian school that is.

So no matter the style is all about training or proprioception!!
When you do knife work you dont try to strike a finger or knee cap right? first move is somewhere that is going to cause a lot of damage!!

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#360696 - 02/05/08 05:28 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: El_nuncio]
Mr_Davies_VA Offline
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Registered: 02/01/08
Posts: 6
Loc: VA
Domo Arigato! I think when an MMA guy starts to bash Krav or any Combative System, he should be poked in the eye and then have his eggs squeezed until the yolkes scramble. Then I would entertain the debate. Also, combative techniques work better on sober guys than drunks, trust me.
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#360697 - 02/05/08 05:35 PM Re: Krav Maga ineffective in MMA setting? [Re: shantungks]
Mr_Davies_VA Offline
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shantungks, you should write books man.
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