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#360564 - 09/11/07 06:20 AM Boxing vs. MMA
WhiteDragon11 Offline
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Hey everyone,

So the other day I was watching UFC at my house. My dad was watching it with me and we started talking about them. Then he started talking about boxing. He believed the boxers would be able to beat MMA fighting because of their speed and power in fighting, where the MMA fighters strike pretty slowly compared to them. I just told him they would take down the boxer and win the fight, but he thinks that the boxer has enough speed to dodge the takedown or knock him out before he can do it.
What do you guys think?

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#360565 - 09/11/07 06:32 AM Re: Boxing vs. MMA [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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Rubbish, all of it.

Boxers will get taken down not because they are inefficient in their own arts, but because of lack of versatility.

Those MMA may only be 60-70% effective strikers when compared to boxers, but boxers would not be able to match MMA in grappling.

Many boxers got their arse handed to them when they thought like your dad. But then again, many of the most successful MMA where once boxers who learnt to grapple.

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#360566 - 09/11/07 07:48 AM Re: Boxing vs. MMA [Re: Taison]
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I agree with Taison. The entire structure of striking changes when takedowns are allowed. When a person is allowed and able to drop level and shoot a double leg, you cannot stand there and box as you would when in a boxing match. You will get taken down at will. You can't throw high count combinations or you will get taken down. In short, the game changes completely. This is why striking for MMA looks different than striking for boxing or other pure striking sports.

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#360567 - 09/11/07 08:57 AM Re: Boxing vs. MMA [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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Tell him to watch UFC #1.
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#360568 - 09/11/07 10:36 AM Re: Boxing vs. MMA [Re: MattJ]
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I believe non but the sharpest of MMA can stand and box with a pro boxer. But within the spand of a fight or 5 minute round there will kicks that can KO and the clinch and the boxer may not survive the clinch not to mention the takedown and submission. MMA is far more versitle way of fighting but like a shark within its bounds the pro boxer is better at boxing.

Boxing though a great sport is too limited.

That was a beautiful throw the ninja cop used and armbar submission in UFC 2 or 3, submitting the pro boxer. UFC 1 Royce Gracie won. UFC 2 or 3 RG faced Kimo and defaulted after injuries suffered in defeating that giant. Could have been UFC 4. Was there a boxer in UFC 1 also?
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#360569 - 09/11/07 11:02 AM Re: Boxing vs. MMA [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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Boxer vs MMAist queensbury rules- Boxer wins
Boxer vs MMAist MMA rules- MMAist wins.

Specific skills and environments favour those who specialise in them.

Carl Lewis was an all time great olympian, but I doubt he would have qualified for the heats in the 100m freestyle swim event, any more than an olympian swimmer would thrive in triple jump. You get good at what you do, and not being good at what others do should not negate your worth in your mind, or the minds of others.
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#360570 - 09/11/07 11:18 AM Re: Boxing vs. MMA [Re: Cord]
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I've said this before on a similiar thread, remember Vitor Belfort? i think he could have challenged a lot of good boxers with his hand speed and he was a bjj specialist, excellent on the deck and with his fists that leaves an out an out boxer with nowhere to run, if an MMA'st cant trade blows with a boxer they've always got other options where as boxers would have just the one
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#360571 - 09/11/07 12:10 PM Re: Boxing vs. MMA [Re: Cord]
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Quote:

Boxer vs MMAist queensbury rules- Boxer wins
Boxer vs MMAist MMA rules- MMAist wins.





Boxer vs MMAist- street fight (no rules)? My moneys on the MMAist
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#360572 - 09/11/07 12:29 PM Re: Boxing vs. MMA [Re: shills11]
Meliam Offline
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How will a boxer prevent the take downs when you shoot for his legs?

The main reason why most MMA fighters train different styles that teach you to fight standing up and to ground fight is because most styles lack some aspects that other styles can compensate.

Remember the old UFC where Boxers, MT, TDK, Karatekas etc. fought using just one style? All the new fighters have a versatile background where they train several different styles.

We train Boxing, MT, BJJ and Submission Fighting.
Pure boxers cant block low kicks prevent take downs or kick.
You can either MT clinch them and then use your elbows, take them down and ground and pound or keep them away with kicks.
Destroy their legs with low kicks and they are extremely immobile.

Of course it also depends on the fighters. If the boxer is physically stronger and technically much better than the MMA fighter, he will beat the MMA fighter.

However there are lots of so called MMA fighters that are just people that practice a tiny bit of everything and think they are all powerful. Those will lose to a boxer.

But if we take two equally serious practitioners of their arts I believe the MMA guy will win. And its not just because the other guy is a boxer. A pure wrestler will also lose in MMA.

Meliam

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#360573 - 09/11/07 03:09 PM Re: Boxing vs. MMA [Re: jkdwarrior]
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Quote:

Quote:

Boxer vs MMAist queensbury rules- Boxer wins
Boxer vs MMAist MMA rules- MMAist wins.





Boxer vs MMAist- street fight (no rules)? My moneys on the MMAist




No rules over a personal dispute? my money is on whoever has the weapon
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#360574 - 09/11/07 03:33 PM Re: Boxing vs. MMA [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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Don Frye

He is an ex-pro boxer with beat he crap out of Amaury Bitetti, a BJJ champ at the time, in UFC 9. But, mind you, he had collegiate wrestling, Judo, and Greco-Roman in his skillset. He came in claiming boxing though as his style and beat Bitetti without ever going to a 'ground fight'. Every time this guy went for the shoot he caught a knee in the face. When he was forced down from the sprawl, Frye dropped elbows down on him. It did end with a ground and pound I believe.

Anyway, a great example of a pro boxer beating a renowned BJJ/MT guy. I think Bitetti was training with Ruas at the time.

But as the general argument goes, this was an exception to the rule. Usually, the boxer becomes the fish out of water as soon as he's grabbed. Frye has/had significant grappling knowledge to help him out there.
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#360575 - 09/11/07 10:11 PM Re: Boxing vs. MMA [Re: JMWcorwin]
WhiteDragon11 Offline
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Ok glad to know most people agree with me. And I meant like UFC rules since they are more versatile then boxing rules, if anyone got confused.

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#360576 - 09/12/07 02:48 AM Re: Boxing vs. MMA [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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Wasn't Don Frye advertizing himself as "Pro Wrestler"?

Or is my mind playing tricks again?

-Taison out
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