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#359501 - 09/05/07 10:03 AM Re: Room clearing and CQB [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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And to follow up on what Bush said, there are different ways to do the same thing; it really depends on where you learn you tactics. Therefore, you don't want to go into a training scenario and have to unlearn stuff that you have taught yourself or heard about on the net...

Besides-you should be running.

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#359502 - 09/06/07 06:32 PM Re: Room clearing and CQB [Re: hunterkell]
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even worse, you can get somebody killed. learn what your comanders want to teach you, and learn the SOP's your team is using.

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#359503 - 09/06/07 10:49 PM Re: Room clearing and CQB [Re: globetrotter]
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Normally, if you follow your protocols, you'll be fine... but we've had people almost get shot during live fire training because "newbies" didn't take the time to figure out the "when to's" before charging in and opening up...

You have to be careful out there, and if you aren't "clear" to the target, you aren't clear to shoot... One of my buddies had a newbie on his squad that damn near shot people 3 times during one two-day exercise. I'm all for "leading the team"... but I'm not much for the team shooting me up in the process... You have to learn to look in both directions at once, especially during live fire exercises... You don't even make it to the field if your team isn't solid.

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#359504 - 09/15/07 05:37 AM Re: Room clearing and CQB [Re: wristtwister]
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Points taken. I'll leve it to the experts.
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#359505 - 09/28/07 05:19 PM Re: Room clearing and CQB [Re: Stormdragon]
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Quote:

What techniques and tactics are most commonly used in room clearing and CQB inside of buildings? Do they work well and what can go wrong?




I'd say TEAM WORK and training and more training. The situtaion would be different depending what you are trying to do. Search for a single felony, Hostage rescue or armed Group of sucidial hostiles. Effective short range weapons like the MP5s or Cars or shotgun or pistols, lighting important when used appropiately, the use of gas to disarray, distract or disable, creating an element of surprise like the use of flash bombs could help. Accurate knowledge of how many, if professionally/military trained, what they are armed with and where they are positioned would help.

CQB is usually a butt stroke from the machine gun or shotgun, a knee and the suspect is handcuff, mouth tapped and drugged toward the back or out of the bldg. If he not shot 1st and then butt stroked, kneed.... Armed you really do very little h2h, you don't want that in a Gun fight.

Worse case scenario is, if they see you before you see them thats bad news. Or they lay a trap and get you in a cross fire. Of course a slow accurate bldg. clearing should have solved that. There's something called a calculated casulty risk thats surveyed by the brass, its always possible in a worse case situation especially with barricade armed non-negotiating, hostiles.


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#359506 - 09/29/07 12:38 AM Re: Room clearing and CQB [Re: Neko456]
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So basically suprise, speed, violent action, accuracy, and complete coverage.
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#359507 - 09/29/07 04:53 AM Re: Room clearing and CQB [Re: Stormdragon]
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And teamwork. Don't forget teamwork. You have to depend upon your battle buddies.

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#359508 - 09/29/07 01:15 PM Re: Room clearing and CQB [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
Stormdragon Offline
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Oh yeah thats essential, be able to trust and rely on your team members and be in sync.
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#359509 - 09/29/07 10:03 PM Re: Room clearing and CQB [Re: Stormdragon]
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yeah, but every team will have a different way of doing it - and the single hardest part is getting 3-6 guys working in sinc so that nobody, but the bad guys, gets hurt.

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#359510 - 09/30/07 01:56 AM Re: Room clearing and CQB [Re: globetrotter]
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globetrotter, we always manage to find some down time to spend in the day room training. We can at least get the basics down. It's as simple as any martial art, you just got to keep training it.

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