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#359272 - 08/31/07 11:57 AM Interesting read on idea's behind NTKO's
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#359273 - 08/31/07 12:39 PM Re: Interesting read on idea's behind NTKO's [Re: Gavin]
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Scandalous, Gav! Pure charlatanism, IMHO. I bet that article is going to p1ss off a lot of NTKO folk.
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#359274 - 08/31/07 03:02 PM Re: Interesting read on idea's behind NTKO's [Re: MattJ]
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I read it last week on Kyushospace where Darren (Daz) published it there himself. For further discussion, you can jump on Kyushospace and read where they are going with it too. Personally, as an "NTKO" believer, I don't find it scandalous at all. I "know" Darren from Kyusho International via forums and e-mail exchanges. He is just a seeker for the truth and better ways of doing things just as I am. Also note, that this refers to the hypno-way and not all NTKO. I don't know how he feels about all NTKO or if it matters. In the Kyushospace thread, he talks about what he regards as the legitimate scope of Kyusho, and it is not very grandiose at all. I know that Darren holds Master Jim Corn in very high regard. Jim Corn does NTKOs. As far as I know, Darren is not saying that all NTKOs are done this way. I think I'll e-mail him and see if I can get him in on this thread. Anyway, I hold Darren in high regard, and I'm curious about what he'd say.


Edited by underdog (08/31/07 03:28 PM)
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#359275 - 09/02/07 08:50 AM Re: Interesting read on idea's behind NTKO's [Re: underdog]
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I got a response from Darren. He did not post his piece on any forum other than Kyushospace. Someone else posted it on the other forum. At least they gave him credit. If you want to read Darren's own comments to comments on his post, you'll need to go to Kyushospace.com.
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#359276 - 09/02/07 09:56 AM Re: Interesting read on idea's behind NTKO's [Re: underdog]
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Amazing the folks who even have the patience to read through all of this. Seems to illustrate a tremendous desire to believe....


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#359277 - 09/02/07 11:25 AM Re: Interesting read on idea's behind NTKO's [Re: underdog]
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great article. another aspect I don't think was mentioned is the 'ideomotor effect' which is relavent here as well as another ongoing thread:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ideomotor.html

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#359278 - 09/02/07 06:50 PM Re: Interesting read on idea's behind NTKO's [Re: underdog]
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Quote:

Also note, that this refers to the hypno-way and not all NTKO.



what other way is there?

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#359279 - 09/02/07 07:27 PM Re: Interesting read on idea's behind NTKO's [Re: Ed_Morris]
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No one here wants my answer because firstly, I didn't write this or choose the title. Secondly, I'm a "believer". I tried to get Darren to register here but he isn't. He posted this actually on Kyusho space. That is where he is responding to comments. I do not believe that he is discrediting all NTKO. I could be wrong. I know how he feels about Jim Corn, for example, and I would be surprised if that were his message. I'll try again inviting him to comment here himself.
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#359280 - 09/02/07 07:58 PM Re: Interesting read on idea's behind NTKO's [Re: underdog]
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Rosanne -

You believe in NTKO? I hope I'm misunderstanding you. NTKO is total bullsh1t, sorry.
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#359281 - 09/02/07 09:13 PM Re: Interesting read on idea's behind NTKO's [Re: MattJ]
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Quote:

Rosanne - You believe in NTKO? I hope I'm misunderstanding you. NTKO is total bullsh1t, sorry.




Matt, you have angered me greatly and I am a NTKO Specialist!!

As punishment for your outburst I will deliver to YOU a NTKO which will render you unconcious between the hours of 11pm - 6am DAILY!!! (Unless you work nights).

You will regain consciousness each morning (hopefully feeling rested).



Edited by GriffyGriff (09/02/07 09:16 PM)

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