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#359202 - 10/01/07 09:28 PM Re: Sanchin versus Tensho [Re: Victor Smith]
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Bummer. The original '4 Sanchin' seems to have been pulled from youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzOMYrtNWRI

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#359203 - 11/07/07 09:45 AM Kimo Wall sensei: Tensho kata [Re: harlan]
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What do you know? My sensei's sensei's sensei.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sVWlN6kwCI4

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#359204 - 09/12/08 11:55 AM comparative sanchin [Re: harlan]
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bump

The original video posted earlier was soon removed...but a different one from the event is now available:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWh-uhw4C9s

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#359205 - 09/12/08 09:52 PM Re: Sanchin versus Tensho [Re: Victor Smith]
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Hello Victor:

Too much information, too many links ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Jeff

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#359206 - 09/13/08 05:30 AM Re: Sanchin versus Tensho [Re: Ronin1966]
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Hi Jeff,

Nope that was a year ago, a similar search would be much larger today. There aren't too many videos, they are there to use as one wishes. A quick watch to see what they are and then remember them when it's convenient.

I've probably looked at thousands of youtube martial video's in the last year or so. The amount to view is unreal, at the same time very little is gained from working, they just share a shape of what others do.

The best videos, while inspiring, do not show all of the layers of training to get at that point of study, nor do they indicate where you go from there.

IMO the best ones are those competing, or doing a demonstration in serious circumstances (before other senior instructors from multiple systems), situations were you find people willing to show more and try harder.
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#359207 - 09/13/08 05:11 PM Re: Sanchin versus Tensho [Re: Victor Smith]
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I've been unable to do kata for a couple of months because of my knee injury and subsequent surgery,but I have returned...almost. I'm still unable to do much of the turns to the left properly,but I'll get there.

One thing I have questions about. The sanchin I practice is very much like the hard style sanchin we see on most video's. The tensho is a little different. There is no rigidity in my tensho. It is very much flowing and more circular than what I have seen. I haven't found a video like it on youtube or anywhere.

1. Why was I taught that way? (speculate)
2. Is it just different or wrong?

Take into account that I do American goju.(Yamaguchi, Urban, Lou Angel, my instructors)
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#359208 - 09/13/08 05:57 PM Re: Sanchin versus Tensho [Re: BrianS]
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Quote:

I've been unable to do kata for a couple of months because of my knee injury and subsequent surgery,but I have returned...almost. I'm still unable to do much of the turns to the left properly,but I'll get there.

One thing I have questions about. The sanchin I practice is very much like the hard style sanchin we see on most video's. The tensho is a little different. There is no rigidity in my tensho. It is very much flowing and more circular than what I have seen. I haven't found a video like it on youtube or anywhere.

1. Why was I taught that way? (speculate)
2. Is it just different or wrong?

Take into account that I do American goju.(Yamaguchi, Urban, Lou Angel, my instructors)




I think the way of practicing both Sanchin and Tensho varies a fair amount from school to school, i've also noticed that both change alot over time with the practitioner as you make minute adjustments to posture and movement.

We don't do either one with muscular tension, though i'd say our Tensho is also much "softer".

The stuff I am taught in Sanchin, you will know from shime testing whether it's right or wrong if you can maintain your posture and integrity with all the pushing, pulling, imbalancing, striking, two man drills and whatever.


Edited by Zach_Zinn (09/13/08 06:01 PM)

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#359209 - 09/15/08 02:16 PM Re: Sanchin versus Tensho [Re: BrianS]
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BrianS

Hope your surgery went well! And good luck on getting back to practice (slowly)

For what its worth....I'd say that is exactly how its "supposed" to be, at least that is how I would do it and have seen it done with Tensho--a LOT of attention paid to proper breathing but almost no tension or hardness...."tension" is for Sanchin.

I'm sure that opinions might vary...but from what I've read and heard from my sempai Tensho is kinda 180 degrees from Sanchin and it (as goes the story) is supposed to be that way.

I've seen people do Tensho with tension---but it just doesn't "feel" right to me....there is already a "tension" kata (to use that term) does not seem like 2 seperate ones would be needed.

Like I said, opinions likely vary here.....just putting in my deeply devalued 2 cents.
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#359210 - 09/16/08 05:38 AM Re: Sanchin versus Tensho [Re: cxt]
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Thanks cxt! That's the kind of speculation/confirmation I was hoping for.

I was told the same story,but I haven't seen any demo's as such.
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#359211 - 09/16/08 08:29 AM Re: Sanchin versus Tensho [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Funny - tensho is not even a classical kata; Miyagi invented it and was open about that fact...

If anything it looks like Yong Chun's ba fen (a standard white crane external form - not qigong). The hand movements are most likely stray techniques practised in the expat Kojo school in Fuzhou. I think Miyagi just put them together in a 'white crane looking' form - inspired perhaps by what he saw on one of his 2 visits to Fujian.

http://dandjurdjevic.blogspot.com/2008/05/origins-of-goju-kata.html

Nice form, but not magical imo.


Edited by dandjurdjevic (09/16/08 08:38 AM)
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