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#359100 - 08/30/07 03:34 PM Who was or is the best Kickboxer pound for pound?
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Who was or is the best Kickboxer pound for pound, IYO?

Though the years of watching and doing alittle myself, I'd have to say out of all the guys I've seen it would have to be. Benny "The Jet" Urquidez 58-0-0 He was beating Thai & Japanese boxers at their own game when not many could beat them in gloves. Fighting anyway they wanted.
I know this goes back pretty far but even now not many fighters today have a working arsenal like the Jet.

The Jet threw everything at ya, but the kitchen sink he could and did KO with his powerful hands and legs. One of his most powerful kick was a jump spin back kick, to the head or torso.

Most of the fighters todays play it pretty safe mostly, push kick, crocodile kick, elbow, knees and hands. Rarely anything else thats been trained and scores.

Bill Wallace and Pete Cunningham may have been more popular but they were not the finisher nor the effective technicain Benny the Jet was.

Thats my 2 cent.
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#359101 - 08/31/07 03:07 AM Re: Who was or is the best Kickboxer pound for pound? [Re: Neko456]
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Kickboxing? Classical kickboxing, it would be Benny first, Wallace second.

Wallace was amazing in that he used 1 friggin' leg throughout his career.

Benny was beating people because he was one of the few back in those days that had quick instincts and knew the game so well beforehand. He was good at preparing before a match.

-Taison out
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#359102 - 08/31/07 04:38 AM Re: Who was or is the best Kickboxer pound for pound? [Re: Taison]
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I have to say that one of the best currently has to be Buakaw Por Paramuk (sp?). He is a MT fighter who has switched and thrives in the K1 kickboxing environment. These are open weight class tournaments, and he is often giving away in excess of 40lbs and over a foot in height, yet he still manages to win or place in the top 4 everytime he competes. Always an exciting and aggressive fighter to watch.

I am not sure how to rate 'all time great' kickboxers. it is still such a young sport, and there are so many differences in the rules from federation to federation that comparison of performance and records is redundant.
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#359103 - 08/31/07 06:36 AM Re: Who was or is the best Kickboxer pound for pou [Re: Cord]
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When I think of kickboxing, I tend to think in terms of muay Thai or international rules. Guys like Ramon Dekker, Rob Kaman, and Petey Cunningham come more immediately to mind for me.



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#359104 - 08/31/07 08:24 PM Re: Who was or is the best Kickboxer pound for pou [Re: JKogas]
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Well, if we're talking about classical kickboxing, my previous post still holds true.

But if we're talking about MT style kickboxing, then Buakaw is ONE of the best, not the best.

Ramon Dekker is kind of cool, but I've never been a fan of his style per say.

Peter Aerth is nice to watch, so was CroCop before he left for the MMA scene.

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#359105 - 08/31/07 10:53 PM Re: Who was or is the best Kickboxer pound for pou [Re: Taison]
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And Crocop was knocked into OBLIVION by Gonzaga! Imagine how good Gonzaga must be. He's a freakin' monster for sure though, I'll say that much.

(and Couture owned him)


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#359106 - 09/01/07 08:55 AM Re: Who was or is the best Kickboxer pound for pou [Re: Taison]
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Agreed with Taison. Benny FTW, as far as classical kickboxing.
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#359107 - 09/01/07 06:17 PM Re: Who was or is the best Kickboxer pound for pou [Re: MattJ]
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I like Benny Urquidez as well. He has a phenomenol record, he has strong hands and feet, and his spinning back kick is sublime. I also managed to dig up this video from Youtube, look at the sick throw at the end, it was illegal, but hey, it was good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsTPvsqpIgc

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#359108 - 09/01/07 07:02 PM Re: Who was or is the best Kickboxer pound for pou [Re: Supremor]
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Wow! Great find, Freddie. Bennie's timing and distancing are exceptional. Man, I felt that spinning back kick!

And that was a nice throw at the end - not sure why he did it, but he did it well.
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#359109 - 09/02/07 04:19 PM Re: Who was or is the best Kickboxer pound for pou [Re: Taison]
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Quote:

But if we're talking about MT style kickboxing, then Buakaw is ONE of the best, not the best.




The reason I mentioned him, is not as the best MT fighter (thats got to be Sagat), but rather, he has adapted to, and excelled in K1 rules kickboxing. Being able to be a top level MT guy, and then still excelling when not allowed to use clinch, sweep or his elbows I think marks his adaptability and 'pure' striking ability above many who have made the transition with less success.
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