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#358555 - 08/27/07 03:11 AM Sword Styles
Apokalypsi Offline
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I am very new to martial arts and I'm wanting to learn some sword fighting. I saw this one style in Equilibrium that caught my eye and was curious if it was real and, if so, what it was. I am also wanting to learn some form a sword fighting that uses two swords. What styles are there that use double swords?

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#358556 - 08/27/07 08:43 AM Re: Sword Styles [Re: Apokalypsi]
Charles Mahan Offline
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First. Equilibrium was a movie. Most movie sword fighting is just that. Movie sword fighting. It has nothing to do with real sword arts. Real sword arts tend to be too boring for hollywood's tastes.

I can't really speak for the western arts and so won't try. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to address the issue from that point of view. From the Japanese Sword Art perspective, there are two sword techniques in Kendo, Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu and a handful of other koryu. That said, none of those schools are two sword styles as such. They merely contain a few two sword techniques in what is mostly a single sword system. So if your looking for real world sword styles which use two swords most of the time. The JSAs are not for you.

Escrima might be more of what you are looking for.


Edited by Charles Mahan (08/27/07 08:44 AM)
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#358557 - 08/27/07 10:55 AM Re: Sword Styles [Re: Charles Mahan]
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Perhaps escrima is for you?

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#358558 - 08/27/07 03:21 PM Re: Sword Styles [Re: ScottUK]
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Thanks guys. I figured that style from Equilibrium was fake, but I wanted to make sure. I'll look into escrima and see if that interests me. Otherwise, I'll do Iaido like I had originally planned.

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#358559 - 08/27/07 03:40 PM Re: Sword Styles [Re: Apokalypsi]
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Depending on the style of Iaido, generally it consists mainly of drawing and cutting, not a whole lot of 'fighting' necessarily. You may want to find a school that also does Kenjutsu or Kendo if you're interested in that.

As for western styles, traditional fencing does rapier and dagger. But, usually you have to work up to that starting w/ foil, then epee, etc.
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#358560 - 08/27/07 05:52 PM Re: Sword Styles [Re: JMWcorwin]
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Western historical fencing from the late Medieval and Renassance periods have lots of two sword techniques. You may want to look into ARMA or AEMMA.


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#358561 - 08/28/07 11:40 AM Re: Sword Styles [Re: JMWcorwin]
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Quote:

Depending on the style of Iaido, generally it consists mainly of drawing and cutting, not a whole lot of 'fighting' necessarily.




There's not a whole lot of 'fighting' in any style anymore. I suspect you mean 'sparring'. Kendo is really your only JSA choice for 'sparring'. Most kenjutsu and iai styles have two man practice, but they they are almost without exception prearranged forms designed to teach specific concepts. They aren't 'freeform' as such.

Iai is more focused on solo kata, because the nature of iai is such that live blades are necessary for higher level practice, and that is not conducive to two man training for obvious reasons. There is two man practice in most Iai ryuha, but its usually not taught until practitioners have been training for quite some time, it's usually practiced with wood instead of steel, and it is a smaller portion of the overall training routine. Also keep in mind that solo kata are designed to teach far more than just nukitsuke(the drawing cut). They teach many other principles designed for post draw combat.

Kenjutsu schools do not focus on cutting from the draw to the same degree that iai schools do and so are not as tied to using live blades during regular practice. As a result they tend to have more two man training exercises as part of their regular workout routines.


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#358562 - 08/29/07 11:59 PM Re: Sword Styles [Re: Charles Mahan]
Apokalypsi Offline
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Well, I'd like to use a Katana in my practices or learn a style that I could use with a Katana. Would any of the JSAs work or are there ones that are more focused on techniques, cutting, etc.? I definitely want to learn a JSA style regardless of however many swords it uses. I was just curious if there was a JSA style that did.

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#358563 - 08/30/07 12:25 AM Re: Sword Styles [Re: Apokalypsi]
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Basically, what I'm asking for now is for the JSA style that would best complement my Karate training. I don't plan on studying any sword style right away as I'm in college and another style will cost money.

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#358564 - 08/30/07 08:53 AM Re: Sword Styles [Re: Apokalypsi]
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Then the best way to go about things is to wait until you settle somewhere, find out what's available in your area in the way of iaido or kenjutsu systems and then do some research on the oppurtunities available to you. Till then, it doesn't really matter. Most areas only have one or maybe two training oppurtunities. In the meantime, read. Start with the stuff recommended at http://www.koryu.com

I suspect you will find that JSAs, regardless of style, will differ greatly from your karate training. Fighting empty handed and fighting with a sword are fundamentally different, so differences are to be expected.
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