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#358029 - 09/26/07 04:36 PM Re: Samurai Mon [Re: hedkikr]
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Registered: 08/20/07
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Loc: California bay area
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So...PsychoDave, it's been nearly a month since you last posted. What did you decide? If you adopted a mon, how did you make your decision?

(or did you simply disappear because you got opinions that conflicted w/ yours)

*not a personal dig but it happens a lot here.




Hey, whats up? Actually my computer caught on fire...luckly I was home when it happened. Kinda nerve racking.

First let me say I appreciate everyones feed back and oppenions. I knew some people wernt going to agree with me, its nothing new. I must admit the initial responce kinda made me want to stay awas because I was initially just looking for resources of information regarding the mon, not peoples personal openions on its use, and it seemed that rather than giving me info people wanted to jump down my throat and tell me im an idiot.

I just read through a few pages and the discussion is quite thought provoking. You all have some very good points regarding the subject and I am taking them into mind when I say this...

I have adopted a mon, weather or not I will use it is to be determined, I probably wont use it because I cant find any information on the family. Im also thinking of taking the same design and changing it a bit, but that doesnt seem quite right to me... At first I was against the Idea of designing my own, but that may work, or I will use the mon of my dojo, which after reading through the thread again makes the most sense...
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#358030 - 09/26/07 08:25 PM Re: Samurai Mon [Re: PsychoDave]
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Glad to see that you didn't just cut-&-run. Also glad to see that you're now thinking on a deeper level than simple cosmetics.

Hope that your new computer kicks azz.

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#358031 - 09/27/07 12:39 AM Re: Samurai Mon [Re: hedkikr]
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Ever thought of designing your own mon with a purely American motif? Mount Rushmore, the Statue of Liberty, a vintage Ford car, a Harley Davidson?

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#358032 - 09/27/07 12:53 AM Re: Samurai Mon [Re: iaibear]
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#358033 - 09/27/07 02:58 PM Re: Samurai Mon [Re: hedkikr]
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Glad to see that you didn't just cut-&-run. Also glad to see that you're now thinking on a deeper level than simple cosmetics.

Hope that your new computer kicks azz.




Just grabbing one and going was never the intention. I just wish I could find some info on the one I chose...what family it belonged to, where they lived, what they did...something...anything, but I can not find any resources at all...its dissapointing to say the least
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#358034 - 09/27/07 03:02 PM Re: Samurai Mon [Re: iaibear]
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Ever thought of designing your own mon with a purely American motif? Mount Rushmore, the Statue of Liberty, a vintage Ford car, a Harley Davidson?




Ive been considering it more and more lately. Im in love with the ocean...wish I had gotten into marine biology or oceanography instead of realestate, oh well. Some sort of ocean creature, like a Mantis Shrimp or something might be cool...I just gotta make sure there is little detail because I dont want it blurry when its shrunk...I would need something crisp, a simple design...
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#358035 - 09/28/07 12:09 AM Re: Samurai Mon [Re: PsychoDave]
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Ive been considering it more and more lately. Im in love with the ocean...wish I had gotten into marine biology or oceanography instead of realestate, oh well. Some sort of ocean creature, like a Mantis Shrimp or something might be cool...I just gotta make sure there is little detail because I dont want it blurry when its shrunk...I would need something crisp, a simple design...





hmm... maybe a wave then? thats a simple squiggly line
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#358036 - 09/28/07 09:45 AM Re: Samurai Mon [Re: fatguy]
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Hedkikr,

While I understand where you're coming from and the points you are trying to make, I think it would be a good idea to remember that JSA's are very traditional in nature and tend to attract people who are somewhat more aware of and appreciative of Japanese culture than the normal populace.

I will take your word for it that what you meant by "playing samurai" were the folks who take it to a bizarre extreme. There have been others who said things that were similar, but meant something very different.

There is nothing wrong with gaijin training in tradtional Japanese arts, although you are certain to find some of the more ultra-conservative folks in Japan who still don't approve. They should not be practiced in such a way that ignores Japanese culture, but it is not necessary to try to BE Japanese in order to practice them either.


Edited by Charles Mahan (09/28/07 09:46 AM)
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#358037 - 09/28/07 12:26 PM Re: Samurai Mon [Re: Charles Mahan]
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Correct...people who play "saa-mur-eye" are the Star Wars & Highlander geeks who think twirling a sword is cooler than a single diagonal cut.

I appreciate & admire people of all backgrounds, ethnicities & nationalities who dedicate a major portion of their lives to an archaic artform purely for the appreciation of it's simple beauty, perfect body mechanics, rich history, spiritual oneness & the weapon itself.

And you're wrong about 1 thing...there are VERY few hard-line conservative Japanese who oppose Gaijin training in JSA. This small minority might be akin to the KKK but in smaller numbers. They don't represent the majority of Japanese just as the KKK definately don't represent the South. It's a myth held over from post-WWII when it was true. Remember, the older Sensei grew up in the Imperial ultra-nationalistic days. No, Japanese are very proud & impressed when they see Gaijin represent their heritage (as long as they represent proficiently & not bring embarassment). That's where the Star Wars & Highlander geeks fall WAY short.

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#358038 - 09/28/07 12:47 PM Re: Samurai Mon [Re: hedkikr]
hedkikr Offline
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Loc: Southern California, USA
Just another note (not meaning to beat the dead horse) to clarify some cultural perspectives:

Having read the previous post, please accept the fact that unless you've lived in Japan for an extended period, among Japanese & immersed in the culture it's still a copy. I'll describe it in terms you may understand:

If you've trained in authentic JSA for many years, you can tell by looking, who embodies not only the external movements but the internal features of the art. You'll pick miniscule clues in their state of mind (mushin), balance (feet), core (hara) & follow-through (zanshin). Non-practitioners will never pick-up these subtle clues.

Japanese culture/mind is more than knowing not to stick your "hashi" in a bowl of rice as you drink your tea. It's more than knowing how to take "ofuro". This isn't an accusation of insincerity, stupidity or mindlessness. It just is. I appreciate people who want to understand my culture.

Just an example: A friend approaches you & congratulates you on your son's selection as Valadictorian. What is your response?

(answer to follow)
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