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#357386 - 08/20/07 01:51 PM Hagashinona's hand conditioning impressed or not?
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Menjin Hagashinona's hand conditioning impressed or not?

I personally am impressed my Senseis would walk around with these badges of honor, sometimes other higher rank Instructors would questions why they didn't treat the limb with oniment to heal the bruising. But at Sandan thru Godan it was the mark of dilgent work, or tooling.

But at 70+ Menjin Hagashinona hands looked like a young Sandan hands not treated with oniment, who else felt at 70 wow I'm impressed. But noticed that the Uchei-ryu Sensei seemed as powerful but hands were less briused.

I'm impressed bc its the way I was brought up, but I don't know if I want my hands looking that way at 70. Of course I'm not one of the Head figures of Okinawan Goju-ryu and I do other things besides Karate in my life.

At 70+ he still moves pretty smooth!!!
Would you want Gorilla paws at 70?



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#357387 - 08/20/07 10:31 PM Re: Hagashinona's hand conditioning impressed or not? [Re: Neko456]
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do you mean Morio Higaonna?

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#357388 - 08/20/07 11:54 PM Re: Hagashinona's hand conditioning impressed or not? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Yes I was talking about his appearance in the Human Weapon series Higaonna Sensei hands has always showed heavy conditioning evident in his ability to strike the boulder.

But at 70+ would you want your hands showing that kind of conditioning.

By the was I've always sometimes misspelled Higaonna and Nahate's Machu's name incorrectly. And Menjin is a title given for MA proficency not a mispelling Morio's his 1st name.
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#357389 - 08/21/07 02:15 AM Re: Hagashinona's hand conditioning impressed or not? [Re: Neko456]
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I had the good fortune of meeting and training with Morio Higaonna Sensei (after about 15 years!)again recently for a session on the chiishi, it was superb.

Yes his hands are heavily conditioned, but karate is what he does and in many ways represents (its his job),

he follows the older model of training which most would consider a little much, me included - for myself.

But IMO his attitude and example of training should be respected, he is looking very well on it and has incrediable ability.
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#357390 - 08/21/07 03:02 PM Re: Hagashinona's hand conditioning impressed or not? [Re: shoshinkan]
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There is no doubt that he is a Menjin (A person with skills beyond normal proficency means), as my Instructor would call him. But in a personal question would you want hands that heavy conditioned at 70?

I know its not kosher to question the ways of a Master, but at some point you do have an opinion, in hindsight looking toward the future and using Morio Higonna Sensei as an example. Anybody would want his skill and fitness at 70+, plus but his heavily conditioned hands I think not.

And I kinda favor hand/tool conditoning.
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#357391 - 08/21/07 06:32 PM Re: Hagashinona's hand conditioning impressed or not? [Re: Neko456]
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for him its perfect, for me I would want something different,

So no I would not want hands that conditioned at 70 years of age, or at 34 years of age - ie right now.



Im simply not, nor would I want to be.
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#357392 - 08/21/07 07:46 PM Re: Hagashinona's hand conditioning impressed or not? [Re: Neko456]
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Neko, I've never heard of the title "Menjin". It sounded funny to me especially since you didn't know his real name (Morio Higaona). I recalled that Higaona Sensei has been featured in ads for " Meijin " Karate Gi:

http://www.dragon-tsunami.org/Products/Pages/store.htm

I think that's what you were thinking about.

If there's a Japanese-speaker out there who can confirm or discredit my interpretation, let's hear it.

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#357393 - 08/21/07 07:57 PM Re: Hagashinona's hand conditioning impressed or not? [Re: hedkikr]
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I believe that 'Meijin' translates as 'champion' and is a title that is given to the champion of a large tournament. Some people in the Western World have adopted it as just another in a long line of improper, misunderstood, rediculous, egotistical titles (pick the term you like best).
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#357394 - 08/21/07 11:32 PM Re: Hagashinona's hand conditioning impressed or not? [Re: Saisho]
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It was explained to me as Menjin was like a wizard or a superior Master of his art, it had nothing to do with tournament fighting or Champion. At the time that I heard the term this system rarely tournament sparred. There was all types of dojo sparring but they rarely sparred outside the dojo, for a trophy or title.

But I'm not saying that it couldn't have that definition, niether one of us speak Okinawan, just Karate dojo terms.
But it wasn't introduced/defined to me that way.
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#357395 - 08/21/07 11:53 PM Re: Hagashinona's hand conditioning impressed or not? [Re: hedkikr]
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It wasn't that I didn't know his name, it was that I crossed the spelling of his name, of course Kanryo Higashiona wasn't on The Human Weapon, though I have seen his lastname spelled like Morio's. I admitt that I made a mistake, I have numerous tapes of the Man, and know that he is well thought of as a Goju Master. But I'm just a distance fan of his, I at one time thought that he was a decent of Machu, until I double checked the last name spelling, and found that sometimes it spell identical. When I'm at work I'm just typing between two screens, typing off the cuff of my thoughts.
My bad.

I guess again hang the messager. Would you want heavy conditioned hands at 70+ years old? Was the question not that my Instructor and I were wrong in defining Meijin or Menjin, I've never seen that on his Gi, i don't watch his every move.

Or if Kanryo or Morio have same name spelling.
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