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#356832 - 11/29/07 04:48 PM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: beltlevel]
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Nothing. There is no such thing as chi.

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#356833 - 11/29/07 06:23 PM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: fileboy2002]
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#356834 - 11/30/07 01:51 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: fileboy2002]
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Nothing. There is no such thing as chi.




There is no such thing as YOU! Or is that there is no such thing as me? Just it? Or is? Or being? I am confused.
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#356835 - 11/30/07 04:44 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: Stormdragon]
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#356836 - 12/08/07 04:35 PM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: Stormdragon]
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You sound confused.

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#356837 - 12/09/07 06:57 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: fileboy2002]
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Nothing. There is no such thing as chi.




Hi

Just to re open a can of worms.

Chi as described to the extremes of some might be none believable. That might be for pure marketing purposes.

Chi = energy .


The stuff I am reading and studying on the internal energy(s) in some arts makes sense.

The ability to have a calm mind during a confrontation would make sense.

What is termed as the adrenalin dump caused by the complexed "information affecting the endocrine system" would be removed therefore a person would have a longer period of energy to hand.

Using the earths energy also makes sense.
A judo throw taking a person beyond their point of balance is a prime example.

Gravity = energy

Jude

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#356838 - 12/09/07 11:54 PM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: jude33]
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If you understand chi as a metaphor, that is fine. However, many people believe it is an actually existing physical force, like radiation or electromagnetism. It isn't, and those who train as if it is are deluding themselves.

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#356839 - 12/10/07 09:18 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: fileboy2002]
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Hello Flyboy2002:

Forgive me I cannot resist your ~challenge~. Though I too am uncomfortable with the chi idea, solely because I have no cultural context for it. Were I of/from a culture where chi/ki/ was a daily idea, this would not be a problem for either of us I suspect?

Lets get to the heart of the issue. What/how do you classify zero variation externally, the literal carbon copy
doing a move/movements and producing tangibly, (ie radically) melo-dramatically more powerful physical results??? ie One person doing the same externalized movements yet attaining radically different results because of something they are doing mentally, or using imagery, with no externalized difference?

What/how do you classify a different mental focus? Example instead of concentrating on the situation/technique at hand, you strongly concentrate on the images, components, necessities of cooking a 5 course dinner and only that, or the mechanics of flying an airplace instead of the physical situation before you. If I concentrate, (igonore the physical in front of me) and focusing instead on an irrelevent situation... we get very different degree of power. Now instead I now focus solely on the assorted images to make a limb/joint more powerful...

What would you call that result prey tell?

Jeff

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#356840 - 12/10/07 09:25 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: jude33]
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Hello Jude:

Being a ~skeptic~ defined as being a disbeliever of commonly held views, a seeker of knowledge... I understand many folks discomfort as well.

If I can be shown a method, an approach which in spite of my disbelief/discomfort gives me more power with no externalized difference yet does give more power

I can easily trade-up and be convinced

Jeff

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#356841 - 12/10/07 09:29 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: beltlevel]
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Hello Beltlevel:

What about actively generating heat in my limbs?

What about reducing my resperation by half (or more)?

What about inducing alpha brain waves, etc.?

Are these issues also "chi" by-products?

Jeff

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