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#356862 - 12/13/07 05:21 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: Bossman]
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Just wanted to highlight a point that people will miss Boss:

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... or you could approach it from the view that 'chi' is the key IDEA in a practitioners 'users manual' of how to synergise mind, breath and body in a way that gets the optimum use of body and mind for martial arts. If you tried to explain it scientifically (which in theory, you'd eventually be able to), you'd never get around to training!


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#356863 - 12/13/07 05:29 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: Stormdragon]
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How would you control the endocrine system when it's completely controlled by smooth muscle? I mean adrenaline is one thing but the endocrine system in it's entirety, even your pulse or heart beat is almost impossible to control without unreasonable time and effort.
How oculd regular people in 1st world societies manage that?




Did I say control the endocrine? If I did then that is my fault for not being specific when I ponder things.

My thoughts.
Information from the senses reaches the brain.
If the information is the type that stimulates fear the brain re-acts by hormone production ( adrenalin etc) which in turn begins to increase sugar levels etc etc.

After the adrenalin dump the person has nothing left energy wise.

If a person can keep a relaxed/controlled mind then there will be no fear response there fore no adrenalin dump

That I think is one of the goals of IMA's.
To get a relaxed mind.
How many people can control their own thought process?

Jude

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#356864 - 12/13/07 05:35 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: Gavin]
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Well they might think like that.
I can see the other side. A person being able to control their own mind would be a benefit/start.

Jude

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#356865 - 12/13/07 05:40 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: jude33]
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#356866 - 12/13/07 03:33 PM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: jude33]
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Hello Jude:

This kind of focus cannot, must never ignore the physical structure of any move/movement. Perhaps others with an intact & complete systemic IMA response could well say "...you can ignore the physical components...", but thus far I find zero evidence. The mental techniques have steps, a precise & particular order just like the physical, no difference in that respect.

My take being if I cannot explain to you "the how" of such material without all the goofy-hideous cyclical references, the silly jargin, then I do not understand it well enough to be teaching it.


Jeff

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#356867 - 12/13/07 03:55 PM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: fileboy2002]
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Hello Flyboy2002:

I have never been accused of being obscure before!?! Unclear at times but never obscure. Let me try a different approach... perhaps that will help?

Let me try it this way, I tell you a technique you have not done before. It involves very specific mental focus/image you are to use. Use a physical technique, I want to see the power you have doing it? Now add the mental technique I told you.

If, if that gives you more power or better yet very consistantly so ... How would you classify that improvement of power to your technique? Nothing different physically in how you did it... You added a particular mental concentration, a mental technique and recieved a tangibly different result in power doing so according to your partner.

Jeff

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#356868 - 12/13/07 04:04 PM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: jude33]
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Hello Jude33:

If I was a native to that culture, I would have no issue. As a visitor, I would be polite and seek explaination for a very long time. My wife however might object to my spending too long though

Jeff

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#356869 - 12/13/07 04:09 PM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: fileboy2002]
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Hello Flyboy2002:

I too have skepticism and also concerns. In spite of my disbelief several techniques have worked quite nicely despite my doubt. I can be convinced, learn new things.

Jeff

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#356870 - 12/13/07 07:56 PM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: Ronin1966]
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Hi Ronin. Hows you?

My brain is in deep contemplation mode. Not to much coming out of it at the moment other than trying to visualise the techniques I am physicaly working on before I do them.
So will answer your response fairly soon.

Jude

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#356871 - 12/14/07 05:41 PM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: jude33]
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You know kinetic energy and it's control (which comes largely through the control of your center of gravity as well as the connection between axial and proximal body parts/limbs) could be considered chi or at least a part of chi and would be why the tan tien is ocnsidered the origin point. Obviously no actually energy (at leaqstn ot from evidence) is generated there but it is a major fulcrum and controls balance and coordination thus the flow of kinetic energy or kinetic linking.
Tell me I contributed SOMETHING!


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