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#356812 - 09/05/07 09:22 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Hello Ed:

What do you make of the now accepted usage of Accupuncture in the treatment of pain or other assorted diseases in Western Hospitals? It survived the double blind route and works sufficently such that its sanctioned...

Jeff

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#356813 - 09/05/07 09:25 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: Ronin1966]
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#356814 - 09/05/07 09:26 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: wristtwister]
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Hello Wristtwister:



Jeff

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#356815 - 09/05/07 09:29 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: harlan]
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Hello Harlan:

Ahhh, Mr. Morris's orignal thread re: Double Blind studies re: Eastern modalities/approaches...

Jeff

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#356816 - 09/05/07 09:37 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: wristtwister]
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Hello Wristtwister:

<<if you're a little overwhelmed with the "explanation", there's a "kids section" on this subject...



Jeffy

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#356817 - 09/05/07 10:10 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: beltlevel]
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Hello:

Apologies for not taking a better shot at your question.

I can make parts of my body very difficult for you to move by simple grabbing, twisting, turning? Some call that "chi"

I can "increase my power" (make it far more difficult to perform several kinds of techniques on me) using certain mental focus/imagry alone. Some call that "chi"

Proximity. I come into point blank range of someone, whom I have never met before, and get an incredible feeling; whether lust, fear, a feeling of their tangible power. That tangible feeling, that impression, some call "chi".

I have seen the "selected break" on ESPN and heard of it elsewhere several times. I would love to see it in person. If it exists some would call that chi...

In the martial context anything that would have a specific usage in a combat situation, would have obvious value. If I was harder to move around, or could keep my position against your attempts to move me... if I can use little effort and repel/ignore your attack... all would be wonderful technical abilities. Hopefully this will help get back on tract the discussion I think you might have hoped for in some respects anyway.

Jeff

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#356818 - 09/05/07 10:24 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: Ronin1966]
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Hello Wristtwister:

<<if you're a little overwhelmed with the "explanation", there's a "kids section" on this subject...


Jeffy




Hello Ronin. Pleased to meet you.

I have been observing hsing I applications on video from master Yang Fansheng and its seemingly brutal.Can I ask Where does chi fit in?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yDgSyAokUY&mode=related&search=

How does the guy who started this thread know he has found chi?
An explanation of IMA, would be nice.
How would I start a thread on this topic or has it been already covered?

Thanks Jude.



I am slowly working out what the arts are and dredging through the back pages of the forum but asking for information seems to get no response.


Footnote.
I stand corrected you have answered some of the questions , thanks.


Edited by jude33 (09/05/07 10:31 AM)

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#356819 - 09/05/07 10:34 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: Ronin1966]
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Hello Ed:

What do you make of the now accepted usage of Accupuncture in the treatment of pain or other assorted diseases in Western Hospitals? It survived the double blind route and works sufficently such that its sanctioned...

Jeff




Hello ED

Yes could I ask the same question?



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#356820 - 09/05/07 10:37 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: jude33]
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Anyone else ever notice that most of these 'chi' threads are started by some drive-by poster?

Hey...beltlevel...it's been two weeks since your last post. Did you get anything out of this thread? Can we let it die now?

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#356821 - 09/05/07 10:51 AM Re: what can you actually do with chi? [Re: Ronin1966]
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Hello Ed:

What do you make of the now accepted usage of Accupuncture in the treatment of pain or other assorted diseases in Western Hospitals? It survived the double blind route and works sufficently such that its sanctioned...

Jeff



Good question. Probably for the same reason there are also hospital chaplains and psychiatrists on staff. Although the alternative treatment can't be 'proven' to cure anything, it CAN be proven to 'do no harm'.
Which was found to be the case with acupuncture needles in 1996.

so I'm not sure it's as accurate to say that western medicine necessarily reguards this type of treatment as comperable to scientific method...they can only say "if something feels better and is deemed safe, then go for it."

once the needles and qualifications were regulated, acupuncture was deemed 'safe to do no harm'.

besides, it's popularity increases revenue for the hospitals while directing the flow of minor ailments as well as long-term chronic ailments, easing burden of doctors to treat the serious physical injuries.

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