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#356372 - 08/15/07 07:16 PM Sparring Tips
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Hey everyone,
thought it would be nice to have a topic where you can just ask any questions on sparring. Doesnt matter how you spar, with whom, or what type of question. If you need any advice you can get it here.

I have a question so this is good. Yesterday I was sparring one of the fellow students. He is 10 years older than me and has trained 10 years longer than me (both started around 7-8 years old). He had extremely fast and powerful side kicks so attacking him with punches wouldnt work or I'd get kicked coming in. So I was trying to play more counter then making the first attack (not usual for me but new partner). So it ended up him attacking me a lot with blows to the face and ribs and little mercy. I took a beating. But anyways I was backing up way to much when he attacked. He said I should come in to the attack. What do you think I shouldve done? And if come into the attack how should I have been positioned?
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#356373 - 08/15/07 07:23 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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Yes you should move in. However it's not easy to do.

A good kicker can almost always chase you down with that kick if you back up. If you cut the kick off and jam them, you don't end up taking the full force of the kick even if you don't block completely. ( kind of like hitting a baseball on the handle of the bat instead of the fat part ) The power is at the end.

Bad news: The side kick is one of the hardest ones to get around. It takes lots of practice. But, if you move in with your guard up, you should be able to at least minimize the force of the kick if you can't catch and redirect.

Hands up. Pivot your lead hip into his as you enter and circle off line. Not an easy concept to convey in writing,, sorry.

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#356374 - 08/15/07 09:21 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: JMWcorwin]
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Thanks JMW,
Yeah a lot of the times I would x block the sidekick in front of my ribs but the momentum brought me back. They were too fast to redirect and definately to fast to catch. I brought up my leg quite a few times to come in to the attack. Luckily I was fast enough to get away from the sweep that came to me. And I tried to circle him but as you said it is hard to get around cuz he kicked it with his front foot.
Any advice on when you get in the real close fighting with exchanges of punches, how to stop the flinching and just use your reactions?

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#356375 - 08/15/07 11:49 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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There are lots of ways to deal with a side kick, but not seeing him spar it's hard to coach a defense but I can give you one of my side kick defenses. I used this against a big powerful guy in a tournament years ago and boy was it a croud pleaser

Basically you go under the kick in a dropping side kick of your own. As he moves in (and you can draw him in if you know how) as he launches his kick you drop to the floor and extend your leg in side kick knife edge form. He will kick over your foot and his momentum will carry him and his groin into you extended foot.

Works like a charm on big side kickers

Just remember to tell him Kimo sent ya!
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#356376 - 08/16/07 04:40 AM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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Any advice on when you get in the real close fighting with exchanges of punches, how to stop the flinching and just use your reactions?




Unfortunately flinching IS most people's reaction to exchanges of punches. Hell, it was when I started, and I bet 99% of the people on this forum began their training flinching from punches. Best way to deal with it: Experience. Work on your inside work in sparring, over time you'll get better.

As for coming in on an attack, depends what attack. But just as with flinching, learning to come in, to "time", an attack requires experience and practice.

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#356377 - 08/16/07 09:16 AM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: Supremor]
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Thanks Kimo and Supremor. I could try getting under the kick, but most of his side kicks are to my stomache so it would be hard to get under.
Yes I usually dont flinch. In most cases I know what I am doing and when I attack in I keep my technique. But its when they attack with mulitple punches over and over again I get in trouble.

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#356378 - 08/16/07 12:06 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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I could try getting under the kick, but most of his side kicks are to my stomache so it would be hard to get under.





That actually doesn't matter, if you drop to the ground, you are kicking up to the groin,where he is kicking is not that relevent.

In terms of flinch, the best thing you can do is drill there are all kinds of in fighting drills you can run with a partner that will train your reflex actions.

You can never get rid of the flinch as it's related to surprise and as natural as blinking, but you can get comfortable inside where you no longer fear the unknown and don't flinch from confusion.

Hope that nakes sense.

-Kimo
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#356379 - 08/16/07 01:19 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: Kimo2007]
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you drop to the floor




Did Kimo just advocate going to the floor?!



*faints from cognitive dissonance*

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#356380 - 08/16/07 01:51 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: MattJ]
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Yeah that made sense. What drills would you recommend?

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#356381 - 08/16/07 01:55 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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A big aspect of training out that natural flinch reaction is unfocusing your eyes. Diffused vision we call it. If you're not focused on his hands ( not really focused on any one thing ) it's much easier to ignore/block out the instinct to 'flinch'. You see everything, but focus on nothing. Again, also takes practice.
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#356382 - 08/16/07 02:01 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: JMWcorwin]
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Oh I seem to do that a lot when my friends just like slap box. Yeah that does seem to help a lot. I dont even know why I dont do that when I spar at kungfu but I will remember to next time. Thanks for reminding me

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#356383 - 08/16/07 02:07 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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They were too fast to redirect and definately to fast to catch.




No. Not trying to offend you or put you down. But, they weren't. You just aren't fast enough yet to perform the technique. It takes practice and timing. I'm not fast by nature, in fact I'm pretty slow. But, in kick defense, I've learned to move in and catch even really fast front leg kicks with proper technique. I've seen it work on world class TKD fighters so I'm sure it will work on your classmate. Just takes proper technique. It will always take longer to lift a leg, chamber it, and throw a side kick than it does to slide in and simply rotate your hip. Simple body mechanics. More complex action = longer execution time.

It didn't work for me either for quite some time. It requires commitment to the move from the start and lots of practice.
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#356384 - 08/16/07 02:10 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: JMWcorwin]
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Yes your right, it was me that couldnt catch it. I would have to spend more time against him to get used to it. But he was a black belt in Tae Kwon Do as well as a teacher in Muay Thai so his kicks are powerful and fast. Like you said though they werent too fast to catch.

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#356385 - 08/16/07 02:23 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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I had a class of extremely good fighters at one point. Then had a former TKD black belt join. Because he was big and kicked hard all of a sudden my red belts were backing away and getting killed by his kicks. They knew better, but couldn't get past their fear. It doesn't matter how hard or fast they kick if you're not there to recieve it. I acutally had to spar with this guy one night while I was still injured just to show them it wasn't something to fear. I'm shorter than my redbelts by 4-6" and at the time had an extra 30 lbs. or so due to the lack of training from injury. He landed very few kicks on me and I threw him several times in a short period. ( despite my poor condition at the time )

After that, my red belts seemed to do much better against him. I didn't post this to brag about myself because it wasn't anything that spectacular. The point is, it's that fear of getting kicked and low confidence in the technique that causes you to hesitate. As a result the technique doesn't work. Take his kicks away from him then you will have that advantage instead of him. Take his spirit instead of letting him take yours. Take away his weapons and he has to fight your fight.
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#356386 - 08/16/07 02:24 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: MattJ]
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Did Kimo just advocate going to the floor?!






Actually I advocated knocking his nuts into his throat. Besides this is point sparring, and the rules dictate the action.:)
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#356387 - 08/16/07 02:28 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: Kimo2007]
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Good point JMW. Yes so I got to be confident and have high spirits. I wont be scared so I will try everything you guys say. Its just sparring I wont get killed.

Kimo-
Actually our sparring isnt point sparring. It just goes on until were stopped. Would this change what you wanted me to do or is it still good to do?

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#356388 - 08/16/07 03:15 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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Actually our sparring isnt point sparring. It just goes on until were stopped. Would this change what you wanted me to do or is it still good to do?





Still a good move, you just might get pummeled after you do it. But from the sounds of it you are gettting pummeled anyway.

In a more complete version, this technique would need to be followed up with a sweep or a leg takedown. You could also roll out of it and regain your feet, it really depends on what he does.
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#356389 - 08/16/07 07:23 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: Kimo2007]
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HEY I only got pummeled by him lol. Everyone else I am pretty good against. But alright next time I will try it on him.

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#356390 - 08/18/07 11:54 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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K next question.

My friend likes to spar with me, just for the fun of it. He is about 210-220 and I am 145 so there is a difference in our sizes. He is the strongest of my friends.
When we spar I dont kick because well I just dont want to because were usually with other people just hanging out.
Any advice on how to block really powerful and fast blows? Like what type of blocks. I throw him off doing pai lum attacks with the wrists, and are very circular motion.

Luckily though I am the only person that friends go I wonder who would win in a fight.... but no one will ever know

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#356391 - 08/20/07 10:59 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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i would suggest a strong inside block with the forearm. nail his arm as he comes in and go in and down. thats the important part with stronger opponents. if you just block down, they will punch through it and just hit you lower than they aimed for, but if you go in and down, you can move it past your body. its all timing though, you have to be able to see his punch coming. and we are always taught to counter after a block. never just block. so go ahead and wack him while youve got him crossed up.

gl

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#356392 - 08/21/07 01:04 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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Any advice on how to block really powerful and fast blows? Like what type of blocks. I throw him off doing pai lum attacks with the wrists, and are very circular motion.




Don't block. You can try to parry (easier on your arms, and better control of the opponent), or step in and clinch. I prefer to clinch up if I can with bigger guys. Better than getting hit!
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#356393 - 08/21/07 07:32 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: MattJ]
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I could try that, but I dont really have any history in practicing clinching.

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#356394 - 08/22/07 01:00 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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if your just playing with some friends, why not play with it. grappling is fairly natural, obvisouly proper instruction would help you pwn these fools, but your just messing with them. im sure you wrestled with friends as a kid. if your smart with it you can pull or push him all over, just catch his weight when he moves and haul on it to keep it moving.

when hes trying to steady himself then you can tag him with a few good shots. if your quick you can fake a shot at his face and when he leans back to aviod it shoot in for a leg take down, or make a kick to his grion and he might bring his hands there to defend, so you can either grab his head and neck, or snatch one of the arms he defends with and tug on it or what have you.

play with it, use your strikes to open spots for impromptu clinching. play with it.
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#356395 - 08/22/07 01:07 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: student_of_life]
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SOL -

Exactly. Just grab him, and go for it.
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#356396 - 08/22/07 07:12 PM Re: Sparring Tips [Re: MattJ]
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Thanks SOL and Matt
Your right I might as well try. I can also try it at sparring. Thats what sparring is for; to practice techniques on your opponent.

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