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#356165 - 08/15/07 06:22 PM Re: MA training: How much advantage? [Re: JKogas]
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Excellent answer John; I'd expect nothing less and I know you are trained more then most.
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#356166 - 08/15/07 06:54 PM Re: MA training: How much advantage? [Re: Dereck]
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John your description is dead on and fully supports answer number #4 (the correct answer:)

While I completely agree with you taking the attitude you do, and I share the philosophy, it's the knowledge and confidence you gain from being so well trained that allows you to carry yourself in such a manner.
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#356167 - 08/15/07 07:59 PM Re: MA training: How much advantage? [Re: Kimo2007]
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Kimo, I completely agree.


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#356168 - 08/16/07 02:02 PM Re: MA training: How much advantage? [Re: MattJ]
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It seems like we are discussing people who have training vs people who don't. What about people who have been training for years and have reached a very advanced level vs those who have not been training long, but have a solid foundations in the basics of fighting from all ranges, and who have won the "genetic lottery." I have seen "great skill" defeated by solid basic training and explosive athleticism. Any thoughts?

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#356169 - 08/16/07 03:15 PM Re: MA training: How much advantage? [Re: medulanet]
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Good point, Med. Brings into question the whole idea about 'regular joe's', and how many of them there really are. Besides the genetically gifted, what about other athletes with similar attributes? Football players? Rugby players? Hockey players? Etc.
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#356170 - 08/16/07 03:31 PM Re: MA training: How much advantage? [Re: MattJ]
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I dunno maybe we should ask Johnnie Morton?
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#356171 - 08/16/07 04:12 PM Re: MA training: How much advantage? [Re: Kimo2007]
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I think the farther you take this, the more it depends on whose "game" is being played. That's not really an SD/Sport comment, but a comment that addresses individual strengths and relevent circumstances that might favor one or the other.

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#356172 - 08/16/07 04:13 PM Re: MA training: How much advantage? [Re: Kimo2007]
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Good point Kimo, however, is two months enough to say that he had a solid understanding and ability to execute the basics? Who did he train with? If it was Randy Couture, then that's one thing, but if its Joe Schmo's MMA school its hard to tell. In addition, do you know for a fact that Morton was a more explosive athlete than his opponent. Remember, we're talking about a retired NFL player who couldn't cut it anymore and a wide receiver at that who is 35 years old. In fact, due to Morton's refusing to submit a urine sample I would surmise that he knew he was not the athlete he used to be and attempted to illegally regain the explosive athleticism he lost since his retirement. In addition, wide receiver is not the most physical position on the football field. Morton was ripped up at weigh ins, but looks aren't everything. It would be interesting to review the film to determine if Morton fought a technically sound fight.

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#356173 - 08/16/07 06:26 PM Re: MA training: How much advantage? [Re: Kimo2007]
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Quote:

I dunno maybe we should ask Johnnie Morton?




Eh? So NFL players are regular joe's? I was thinking more along the line of high school/college kids.
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#356174 - 08/16/07 10:09 PM Re: MA training: How much advantage? [Re: MattJ]
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don't get so caught up in defining what a "regular joe" is, he does not exist. He is just a fictional representation of all members of a population. Each population will have a different regular or average Joe. if you live in a slum area of a third world country then your average joe is going to be a lot different then if you live in a prosperous upper-class area of a well developed nation. if you are living in an aging population the students probably won't be the average, if your living in a university down then they just might.

Demographics make a big difference. you can only compare whether MA training as an advantage over the regular Joe in your population. so when answering this forget about others definitions of "regular Joe" and use your definition or what you think is the average joe. if there is enough responses from various populations then a general result will come forth.

We must be careful not to become to fixed on what we are comparing, martial arts develop many aspects, some martial arts are heavily health and fitness oriented. Tai chi For eg, then we should be looking at whether a tai chi practitioner is more healthier then mr Joe. there are so many different ways to measure MA v's Joe.

my point being don't answer this question based on someone else's Joe use your own, in the long run it will be more accurate.

BTW I answered "4: A lot. This ain't no Tupperware party, pal.", from my personal experience I have found MA gave me a huge advantage over others and not just in the concern of a fight, but in many other aspects of life. I found that I was more confident then the average Joe, in situations like job interviews, I was more willing to take action (and leadership) in an emergency situation. in my TMA days I was more disciplined then most ( I'm probably a bit lazier today) my flexibility was far superior to mr average. etc etc

If we are talking pure fighting or defending against Joe then I still answer 4. But it must also be acknowledged that the majority of my MA studies have been geared towards effective street and real world violence management, my instructors had been there done that. others train MA for other reasons some of which are in no way combative.


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