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#355652 - 08/15/07 12:28 PM Re: serious question - bulletproof Iron Vest training? [Re: VietPanda]
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In the English & USA invasion of China Iron Shirt training didn't work, there is no training that can defy the laws of physics or nature. A lot of great Master died finding that out.
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#355653 - 08/21/07 02:22 PM Re: serious question - bulletproof Iron Vest training? [Re: Neko456]
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Yes it does work however you must first buy and master my new system, Ultimate Bulletproof Kung Fu TM. I have performed the technique many times and you can now be the owner of this new system for only $190 + P&P.

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#355654 - 08/21/07 02:30 PM Re: serious question - bulletproof Iron Vest training? [Re: ShangTsung]
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It's just doing tons of pushups while wearing kevlar right?
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#355655 - 08/24/07 09:46 PM Re: serious question - bulletproof Iron Vest train [Re: JKogas]
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I don't know how true this story is, but years I ago I remember reading about the Shaolin monks experiance testing guns when they first arrived in China. As I remember, about a dozen of them lined up and tried tried to use iron shirt. One managed to stand there for ten minutes after being shot, but then fell over and died.

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#355656 - 09/03/07 07:32 AM Re: serious question - bulletproof Iron Vest training? [Re: VietPanda]
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OK this is a serious question, just out of curiosity - is it actually possible to be able to resist a shot from the weakest gun available these days through Iron Vest training?

I read in 'ripleys believe it or not' that a guy who worked out heaps got shot, and the bullet didn't even penetrate his skin!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4El4ea4hTak

If you I look at this version of iron shirt training then
I think it looks like some form of joke. They cant punch or kick so absorbing the blows wouldnt be a problem for anybody who didnt train. I wouldnt like to be the partner of the woman hitting herself with a brick. I think body conditioning is trained through weigth training and or some form of restistance training, kata/forms( if that is how a person wishes to train) and breathing. I think the striking of the body does have its place once the required level of muscle condition is reached but this type of training on the above video is stupid.

Regards the bullet or pointed weapons thing then no.
Some idiot spouting rubbish.




http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doci...h&plindex=6

This is how karate kata is used for testing conditioning

Jude

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#355657 - 11/26/07 07:22 PM Re: serious question - bulletproof Iron Vest training? [Re: VietPanda]
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And they say there's no such thing as a stupid question.
All jokes aside though, I've heard of one case where a guy got shot in the gut and lived, where the bullet didn't fully pierce his muscles. I believe it was Cleveland "Big Cat" Williams or someone who was shot with a .357 round by a State Trooper and had strong enough stomach muscles to stop it somewhat but it screwed him up pretty good. I just read about it in a book on boxing for self defense so who knows how much truth there is to the story. Anyone else hear of that?
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#355658 - 11/26/07 07:28 PM Re: serious question - bulletproof Iron Vest training? [Re: jude33]
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What the hell were they doing at 39 seconds? Or do I want to know?
Anyway what kind of round kicks are those? There is no pivot, and no snap whatsoever, no power or speed, I mean they literally just toss their legs up there halfhazardly. That is embarrasing.
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#355659 - 11/26/07 10:51 PM Re: serious question - bulletproof Iron Vest training? [Re: Stormdragon]
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Anyway what kind of round kicks are those? There is no pivot, and no snap whatsoever, no power or speed, I mean they literally just toss their legs up there halfhazardly.




Well genius, you don't kick full power and speed to do hard body training. Those are conditioning kicks. It's a combination of isometric exercises, and "rebound training" to train the muscles and body parts to absorb punishment. In the second video, the sensei was using "testing kicks" to test the strength and postures... it was never designed to be an attack, simply a testing of their stance and body work.

As for the "bulletproof" training, my .357 will blow a hole all the way through you... iron shirt and all. People who try stunts like that die from terminal stupidity... if they have a weapon, it's aggravated stupidity. Calling "Mythbusters" isn't necessary.



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#355660 - 11/27/07 02:38 AM Re: serious question - bulletproof Iron Vest training? [Re: wristtwister]
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Don't be presumptuous, that story was not posted as anything NEAR fact. I said I just heard or actually read it somewhere and that I had no idea whether it was true or not just an ancedotal possibility (if that's even a term). But it's possible to live through, there's documented proof of several people living through shots to the head and body (or at least the head I know for sure, not sure about the body but I think so. Read NOT SURE)
People can and DO live through it occasionally, and logically, the more fibers of flesh (especially muscle) you have around the area that's being shot, the slower the bullet will travel as it penetrates. Maybe not much slower at all, but slightly. Because it has that much more to drive through.
As for the kicks, you don't have to use crappy technique to gauge your power. that just builds bad instincts IMO and experience (which I know is limited).
I do admit that using too much power is not good at the beginning but they had to be advanced, I mean come on, they were hitting themselves with BRICKS and they were a demo team which means they had to have at least a major portion of experts to look good enough.! And they can't take a padded kick to the body. Would good is taking hits with nearly NO power if you're advanced.
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#355661 - 11/27/07 05:49 AM Re: serious question - bulletproof Iron Vest training? [Re: Stormdragon]
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As for the kicks, you don't have to use crappy technique to gauge your power. that just builds bad instincts IMO and experience (which I know is limited).
I do admit that using too much power is not good at the beginning but they had to be advanced, I mean come on, they were hitting themselves with BRICKS and they were a demo team which means they had to have at least a major portion of experts to look good enough.! And they can't take a padded kick to the body. Would good is taking hits with nearly NO power if you're advanced.




Hi

They are testing their conditioning/ breathing. If you google up uechi ryu there is a 79 year old 10th dan taking kicks to his legs. They are also breaking baseball bats with their shins. Videos can be deceiving. If you maybe could find someone with conditioned shins and ask them to kick you lightly in the thigh. Most people tend to hobble around when that happens.

Jude

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