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#355478 - 08/16/07 09:18 AM Re: My sword got here :D [Re: Charles Mahan]
harlan Offline
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Not suggesting he should. I'm not one for rubbernecking at road accidents. You could be kind and close the thread.

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If he doesn't want to talk about it, that's his right.



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#355479 - 08/16/07 09:42 AM Re: My sword got here :D [Re: Charles Mahan]
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Charles

But would it be improper to tell other students to have their swords checked?

The "right" thing to do is often hard to figure out.

Some years ago I got badly ripped off by company best known as a major player in the modern, pretty high end cutting sword business--a representative seriously oversold a specific product and flat out lied when I asked direct questions prior to purchase.
Then lied again about the policy when I tried to return the flawed product.

I raised holy heck--the guy that did it is no longer employed there, and the flawed product is no longer carried.

Its hard to decide what the right thing to do might be.

One the one hand you don't want to cause problems and cast doubts.

Ont he other hand, if there are more swords like that floating around shouldn't people have the right to at least know that?

I don't know--wish I did, tough situation.
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#355480 - 08/16/07 09:58 AM Re: My sword got here :D [Re: cxt]
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Chris,

I agree. It's a tough call. I think that it might be nice if he shared the information with his former fellow students, but they may very well not welcome the information. I don't know that he has a obligation to tell them though. There's definitely a degree of Buyer Beware involved. Ultimately it's really only a call which he can make. He is the only person with all the facts and knowledge of the situation.
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#355481 - 08/16/07 10:30 AM Re: My sword got here :D [Re: cxt]
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I have weighed that choice over and over. I feel somewhat responsible for the safety of other students on the floor. The silver lining is that the instructor (we have been in contact several times) has informed all the students that were in class last night of the issue and offered them all refunds. He intends to do the same on Sat during the actual sword class.

My original intent in this post was to share my excitement over a new class and new experiences. I never intended to undermine anyone, and was even going out of my way to defend the school. The facts are the facts however and I can't change them.
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#355482 - 08/16/07 10:42 AM Re: My sword got here :D [Re: jpoor]
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Your former instructor is showing class. That he is letting all his students know the blades were of questionable quality and will make refunds, are points in his favor.

My question is, how is he as an instructor of sword technique?

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#355483 - 08/16/07 11:02 AM Re: My sword got here :D [Re: iaibear]
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I have no (or very little) idea. I went through one class which was all formalities, safety and terminology. No techniques.

He has left the door open for my return, and I may if I can resolve certain issues for myself.
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#355484 - 08/16/07 11:14 AM Re: My sword got here :D [Re: Charles Mahan]
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Charles

Good point.

Sounds like the teacher is trying to make things right.

And its much easier for me to comment as I'm not directly involved.
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#355485 - 08/16/07 11:17 AM Re: My sword got here :D [Re: jpoor]
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jpoor

Sounds to me like your makeing the best of a tense sitution, doing what you need to do.

For what its worth, I certainly don't see ANYTHING you posted as "trying to undermine anyone"--if you feel that way or are being accused of doing that--your not.

Not being directly involved its easy for me to comment.

Your in a much tougher situation.

I wish you good luck.
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#355486 - 08/16/07 01:27 PM Re: My sword got here :D [Re: iaibear]
jpoor Offline
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Your former instructor is showing class. That he is letting all his students know the blades were of questionable quality and will make refunds, are points in his favor.





I just met with him and we had a very nice talk. He bought back my sword as well as all of my uniforms (his idea and insistence, not mine) which goes way beyond what he was obligated to do by even the strictest of standards. He explained how the sword incident happened. Basically a party in CA, who has a brother in asia doing the buying. That of course would mask the origin of the swords. He told me he has ended a 17 year business relationship over this with the supplier of all his uniforms etc, until / unless the guy can make things right. Basically, he has done all that he can on that end.


He has invited me to return whenever / if I feel ready and once I make sure it's my head talking rather than my highly emotional heart, I might do just that. Of course without a uniform, a horse stance could be a scary sight

We discussed my issues outside of the sword incident and I have to say he was very persuasive. He is humble enough to say "what we do isn't perfect but it's the best we have." Of course I still have doubts and questions, but he has invited me to discuss them whenever I wish.

I feel I have to point out these new details in fairness to the man because as we all know there are at least three sides to every story. His side, her side, and the truth.
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#355487 - 08/16/07 01:30 PM Re: My sword got here :D [Re: jpoor]
harlan Offline
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Sound business practice. Don't let a customer leave dissatisfied.

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