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#355032 - 08/07/07 07:00 PM Udundi Kata Anyone?
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Interesting. A predecessor to "modern karate." A version of the original art of the Okinawan Bodyguards to the king before Matsumura and others got their hands on it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...h&plindex=1

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#355033 - 08/07/07 10:11 PM Re: Udundi Kata Anyone? [Re: medulanet]
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Hi Med,

The question of course is this original or later day Udundi?

And will we ever know?
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#355034 - 08/07/07 10:18 PM Re: Udundi Kata Anyone? [Re: Victor Smith]
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Well, until we find the secret scrolls with the movements and detailed explaination we won't. Its just a look at what it could be more or less. That is why I referred to it as a version of it. Maybe I should have said a variation. I believe it contains many of the same elements as the style which predates modern karate. Of course Uehara may have simply made it all up. Which might explain his cowboy outfit in some of his other videos. I'm sure he may have had a laugh exclaiming, "And they actually believed all of that stuff!"

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#355035 - 08/07/07 11:27 PM Re: Udundi Kata Anyone? [Re: medulanet]
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Quote:

Of course Uehara may have simply made it all up.




Would you do it?

If not, then why would he?
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#355036 - 08/07/07 11:39 PM Re: Udundi Kata Anyone? [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Quote:

Quote:

Of course Uehara may have simply made it all up.




Would you do it?

If not, then why would he?




Some people do. But, why would anyone? I don't know him just like I don't know those people that do "make up" stuff and try to pass it off as something it is not. So I don't know why he or anybody would. Fame, noterity, money, women, all of the above. Of course if you read my first post you would know that I don't believe he would. I was simply responding to Victor's questioning of the video.

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#355037 - 08/08/07 05:05 AM Re: Udundi Kata Anyone? [Re: medulanet]
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Hi Med,

Beyond simply looking (which is all I can do) I have heard the name of this form translates literally as "Dance of the Feudal Lords' Technique".
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#355038 - 08/12/07 05:52 PM Re: Udundi Kata Anyone? [Re: medulanet]
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IMO it is not an origonal Ti kata from the Ryukyu period (there wern't any is my belief),

More likely a researched presentation by Uehara Sensei and an accurate representation of the Ti art as he understands it should be,

I do not have much direct experience of this kind of thing but the movement fits what I percieve to be Ryukyu period Ti, soft and aikido like when performed alone/in training.

ie before the Chinese quan influence and the synthesis to form 'karate'.

But thats a whole lot of guess work !
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#355039 - 08/12/07 07:23 PM Re: Udundi Kata Anyone? [Re: shoshinkan]
WuXing Offline
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A lot of it looks like sword techniques without the sword. Some very obviously so, like around 1:01. That's one thing that makes it look similar to aikido.

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#355040 - 08/12/07 10:31 PM Re: Udundi Kata Anyone? [Re: shoshinkan]
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Sho, are you saying that Uehara did not learn this kata from Choyo Motobu who in turn learned it from his father and so on and so forth?

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#355041 - 08/13/07 02:48 AM Re: Udundi Kata Anyone? [Re: medulanet]
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yes that what I believe.

also Ti was a weapons led art IMO, personal military weapons so sword would feature highly.
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