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#354527 - 08/03/07 04:36 AM Sportjujutsu Rules
DokanDojo Offline
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Registered: 01/30/07
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Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
Hi Forum Members,
Our style of jujutsu has Dokan Kumite as its official fighting system. It is an Ippon Shobu-system with knockdown rules.
Is their any other jujutsu organization competing under knockdown/fullcontact rules?
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#354528 - 08/03/07 06:58 AM Re: Sportjujutsu Rules [Re: DokanDojo]
Taison Offline
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Registered: 09/06/05
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Loc: BKK, Thailand
Well in my old dojo, there wasn't much of rule system. We just went at it.

My own dojo that I'm setting up, won't have much rules system as well, as I'm a strong advocate of Freestyle sparring without restriction.

If you have the chance to strike, there shouldn't be penalized for being able to do something. In my opinion, jujutsu is about encouraging, not penalizing.

Hmm. . You know, I might be going back to Sweden June next year for my brother's birthday. Where in Goteborg are you at? I might want to stop by and say hello. But I'm still not 100% sure because my economic situation is at the lowest in my life right now.

Oh well, I'll see when I get a raise in my salary.

Har det bra och trevligt helg.

-Taison out
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#354529 - 08/07/07 08:31 PM Re: Sportjujutsu Rules [Re: Taison]
pepto_bismol Offline
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no messing with the spine, no cranking the neck... there are at least moves that are restricted due to risk of serious injury... right?
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#354530 - 08/08/07 03:49 AM Re: Sportjujutsu Rules [Re: pepto_bismol]
Taison Offline
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Some.

-Taison out
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#354531 - 08/09/07 04:47 PM Re: Sportjujutsu Rules [Re: Taison]
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Registered: 02/28/05
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OK, you're more an expert @ this than me but shouldn't the rules be based on ability? A strong new adult student can do a lot of damage by accident.

I believe that as ability increases, you can decrease the restrictions of "rules" because the practitioner knows what could be very dangerous (technique & how far to go).

Also, there are potentially excellent students that start off a bit timid. "No rules" could frighten them off which is the opposite of "encouragement". And how would you prevent retaliation?

When I was training regularly (karate), I used to spar w/ my sempai full speed, measured contact, no gloves. We hurt each other but never seriously (hospital) or got angry.

Years ago, I trained (combinations) w/ a 1-yr student who, for reasons I never knew, came @ me w/o regard to control. He didn't hurt me but I reminded him 3 times to work on the skill vs. attacking w/o technique. He didn't heed my advice (I was a BB) so I hit him back. He hit me back harder so I did the same. Next thing I knew, I had him in a prone Gillotine. Before he passed out (he didn't know about tapping), I let him go. Never saw him again. I didn't care but it cost my instructor a paying student. My thought that it probably would have happened sooner or later.

So rules based on ability are good things.

owari

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#354532 - 08/10/07 02:17 AM Re: Sportjujutsu Rules [Re: hedkikr]
Taison Offline
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Rules if strictly enforced, can be both good and bad.

I'm more focused on actually being able to defend myself, so sparring under rules which limits my options, would be a disadvantage later if I get into a fight in the streets later in my life.

However, for sport reasons, and entertainment, some rules will be needed or the sport wouldn't be interesting. For example, if you allowed more grappling in Judo, then it would turn out to be a ground-hugging fest instead of the spectacular throwing art we all know and love.

Rules should be set by abilities, I agree. When I spar with other black belts and such, there's no need for protection or silly rules like "no strikes to the head" and such because we know what is safe and what isn't.

But yes, you are right.

And judging from your age and the time you've been in this MA 'industry' I should be asking you if I'm correct or not afterall, I'm still a noob.

-Taison out
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#354533 - 08/10/07 11:48 AM Re: Sportjujutsu Rules [Re: Taison]
hedkikr Offline
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Registered: 02/28/05
Posts: 2827
Loc: Southern California, USA
Tine & Age, although valuable, are niot the determining factor. I've read a lot of common sence & informed reason in your posts - noob or not.

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