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#354033 - 08/04/07 08:03 AM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: medulanet]
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For the best training move to Vegas and train at Xtreme Couture. If that is not an option learn bjj/submission grappling from a wrestling perspective, which will teach you to not pull guard, but grapple to gain a dominant position either on top or on their feet and punch your opponent in the face.





EXCELLENT advice! This is exactly the way I believe that folks should be training. This is the approach that I believe in and have used for years.

I see the guard being used a LOT in gi-style jiu-jitsu in an almost flamboyant manner. Thats only natural when you consider how many handles you have to hold onto with material designed not to rip. It fosters a notion of security when playing guard and is the reason why so many BJJ guys fighting vale tudo would voluntarily pull it.

Gotta work for top, using the guard as an active defensive position, disengaging when at first possible.

Just thought I'd throw my own two cents in.



-John

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#354034 - 08/07/07 04:05 AM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: JKogas]
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I don't exactly see how the guy was a Kung Fu expert. The BJJ fighter looked more convincing at kicking than the Kung Fu guy, who not only sent out nice slow kicks that were checked, didn't use his hands at all, had an oddly long stance and delivered the lamest attempt at an elbow in the history of mankind. Not exactly what I would say a conclusive video, only showed how a BJJ could tackle and then whup the lamers butt

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#354035 - 08/07/07 06:42 AM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: JimmySmith]
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Part of the problem Jimmy is that when dealing with a KNOWN grappler, people will often change their delivery dramatically.

Imagine a boxer fighting a person who he knew was a boxer and another whom he knew to be a grappler.

Don't you think you might see a change in his approach regarding each one? Wouldn't he probably appear to look much different with his overall structure against the grappler? Just some food for thought.


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#354036 - 08/10/07 11:40 PM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH VID [Re: VietPanda]
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What was that?

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#354037 - 08/11/07 05:05 AM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: Morpheus]
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Awesome! I found two videos I found quite interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDnnmENhJp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTIrehTIGOA

Enjoy!
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#354038 - 08/18/07 01:27 AM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: VietPanda]
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go learn some grappling and then come back next time
Those Shamrock clips are great
I like how he breaks down the movements so that he/you can really understand whats going on
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#354039 - 08/18/07 03:41 AM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH VID [Re: VietPanda]
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First of all, that's Royce Gracie. Not many martial artists can beat him anyway. Also, Royce Gracie is not a very aggressive fighter. He's excellent at strategy. He looks for you to make a mistake and when you do he takes you to his world. About the only thing I can think of that this gung fu guy could have done to stand a chance would be to make it appear as if he's making an opening in order to draw Royce into a position where he can land a hard knee to his chest or face. But, like I said, that's Royce Gracie. Very few men could beat him anway.

And that comment about it being almost impossible for someone trained in only striking to not being taking down by a practitioner of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu isn't entirely true. Not all BJJ practitioners have much experience.

I believe in being prepared. I believe that ground fighting is a very important part of figting. Do I believe the saying that most fights go to the ground? YES and NO. Most of the fights I have seen start with pushing, then an exchanging of blows, and then sometimes it ends up on the ground. Most people in real situations don't immediately try to take you to the ground. So, I don't believe that groundfighting is THE most important part of fighting. But, I'm not going to deny it's importance, nor it's effectiveness in disabling your opponent of his ability to hit you. It's sort of like a kingsnake taking on a much larger snake. The kingsnake will immobilise the other snake and then make the kill. Of course a kingsnake would probably be killed by a kingcobra. So the kingsnake's way isn't the only way. A kingcobra will evade and then strike. Even mongooses have a hard time with them. They often end up dead. And in case some of you are wondering, kingsnakes are NOT immune to venom. They merely have a tolerance and venom from non-North American snakes might be beyond their tolerance. Oh, and the last part about the venom has no symbolism. Only the part about the kingsnake "grappling".

Ok, I probably rambled on in this post, but I've got a mad case of insomnia. So, bare with me here.
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#354040 - 08/19/07 03:13 AM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: Alabama_Samurai]
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someones been up watching too much animal planet
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#354041 - 08/19/07 03:16 AM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: IExcalibui2]
Alabama_Samurai Offline
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someones been up watching too much animal planet




Don't tell me you can't see the symbolism between a kingsnake and a practitioner of BJJ. lol

I tend to use metaphors quite often.
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#354042 - 08/19/07 06:53 PM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: Alabama_Samurai]
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hahaha I see, I've just never seen anyone go so far into the animal metaphor to describe their habitat and teeth brushing habits. anyway, off topic.

bottom line, if you get a run in with a grappler, try to stay on your feet and I would say no closer than clinch range (most MA out there have some kind of techniques where you are able to grab the guy and such). If you can get the grappler to play your striking game then, you're fine.

Once you hit the ground...well lets hope you can land a lucky strike that can disable him before he does anything. That or get your butt whipped and then go and learn yourself some grappling techniques to keep it from happening.
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