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#354013 - 08/03/07 01:06 PM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH VID [Re: VietPanda]
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Simple.

Don't take/make a challenge match w/ Royce Gracie...
Unless you plan to use a weapon.
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#354014 - 08/03/07 01:11 PM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: Usenthemighty]
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What he said. I personally hate it when people say you wanna grapple learn BJJ as if it is the only grappling art in the world.




There are very effective Chinese/Indian/Mongolian wrestling styles that may fit more closely with your training in Kungfu. The principals are different and feels very distinct from BJJ. In some ways, I have found these wrestling styles to be not only better integrated with my Kungfu but also to have some advantages over BJJ.

The main advantages I have found are: It is not as commonly taught so opponents donít know what to expect. There is less reliance on using your clothing or your opponents clothing to execute a technique. Striking feels more integrated and developed into the ground fighting.

This has been my experience, others may have a different view. But for the above reasons (and others), I discontinued my training in BJJ (at an MMA school) and am solely training at a more TMA (with some competing in MMA) Kungfu school now.

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#354015 - 08/03/07 01:15 PM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: MattJ]
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How did we let him get away? I guess busy training other Kung-fu MMA fighters now. How old is Sifu Jason now?
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#354016 - 08/03/07 01:51 PM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH VID [Re: JMWcorwin]
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Simple.

Don't take/make a challenge match w/ Royce Gracie...
Unless you plan to use a weapon.




Or unless your are Matt Hughes. Actually, any skilled figher with good wrestling, submission defense, and ground and pound might do well.

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#354017 - 08/03/07 01:56 PM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: everyone]
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This has been my experience, others may have a different view. But for the above reasons (and others), I discontinued my training in BJJ (at an MMA school) and am solely training at a more TMA (with some competing in MMA) Kungfu school now.




Try it from a wrestling perspective. Many wrestlers like to stay on their feet and strike or ground and pound from top and feel fighting from your back is just not a smart strategy. Their take on bjj/submission wrestling is legit and IMO MUCH better than most of the bjj out there. Just look at Dan Henderson and Randy Couture.

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#354018 - 08/03/07 02:18 PM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH VID [Re: medulanet]
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Actually, any skilled figher with good wrestling, submission defense, and ground and pound might do well.






Of course,

But I think the post was about stand up strikers vs. BJJ.
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#354019 - 08/03/07 02:42 PM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: JMWcorwin]
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In that case it depends on the person. IMO if you intend of fighting in one phase, you better be able to keep it in that phase. With that said it's a no brianer for strikers to have strong takedown defense and ground fighters strong take downs.
Think Wanderlei Silva vs Hidehiko Yoshida.

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#354020 - 08/03/07 02:51 PM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH VID [Re: JMWcorwin]
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Well, I consider myself a striker. It doesn't matter the position, but I train to use my strikes effectively no matter the situation. In fact, ground and pound and striking on the ground is one of the most effective ways to neutralize a bjj guy. It is also how strikers can defeat superior grapplers. If you understand the basics and can develop good skill in grappling you can defeat a superior grappler with effective striking and positioning. So why must a striker be pigeon holed as either stand up or ground and pound? If you are a striker then strike.

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#354021 - 08/03/07 02:55 PM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH [Re: Usenthemighty]
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Avoiding being taken down can be done purely with close striking methods



Such as what? Besides kneeing the exact time they shoot in striking does noting. It at least does noting to me and my training buddies when we double leg take down. Plus when Royce changed levels that was the time he had to sprawl and clinch up. Jason Delucia is 33-20-1 thats an ok record. I mean its not like 22-2-0 Rich Franklin(my favorite fighter), but he's ok.




Usen, maybe you should join Crocop's School of Fighting. His method of knee striking a wrestler shooting in is very effective.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...h&plindex=0

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#354022 - 08/03/07 03:35 PM Re: What to do if grappled by BJJ fighter? - WITH VID [Re: medulanet]
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If you understand the basics and can develop good skill in grappling you can defeat a superior grappler with effective striking and positioning.




Exactly.

But your explanations still all revolve around learning grappling. That's all I was trying to say. If you don't have at least an understanding of the techniques, you don't stand much chance in that scenario.

I don't remember exactly the guy's name, but there was an ex-pro boxer, Frank something, who fought one of Ruas' guys in an early UFC. He brutally beat this guy down with good sprawling and knee/elbow strikes when the BJJ guy would shoot. Lots of blood. He never submitted, but they did stop it because of the amounts of blood and where it was coming from. That's the perfect example of a true stand up fighter beating a BJJ fighter..... Don't let it go to the ground. Easier said than done though.

*sorry I don't remember the fighters' names,,, brain on slow mo this morning.
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